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Post subject: Re: Should PT-6A’s Be Operated At A Margin Below ITT Limits? Posted: 29 May 2016, 11:31 |
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Charles, you dont have the bug block in the M500 G1000?
Is 1180 your max torque on the -42? I see your Ng and ITT are low.
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Post subject: Re: Should PT-6A’s Be Operated At A Margin Below ITT Limits? Posted: 29 May 2016, 12:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: I follow what Pratt recommends, they built the engine so knows how we should run it.,
It's almost comical how often this statement is wrong. I'm not picking on Pratt, in fact, the statement becomes even more true if you substitute Lycoming or Continental.
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Post subject: Re: Should PT-6A’s Be Operated At A Margin Below ITT Limits? Posted: 30 May 2016, 08:44 |
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Username Protected wrote: Charles, you dont have the bug block in the M500 G1000?
Is 1180 your max torque on the -42? I see your Ng and ITT are low. 1313 is max torque. More often than not, in the Meridian if you disregard the recommended settings you'll be temp limited before reaching 1313. Max temp I think is 760 on the Meridian. Speed difference between recommended settings and max temp is about 10kts on average. Chip-
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Post subject: Re: Should PT-6A’s Be Operated At A Margin Below ITT Limits? Posted: 30 May 2016, 09:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: Hmm, this is the first time I've heard of this. Especially considering that the B36T running the -21 engine will run way below max ITT most of it's life. You don't have to have a hot section inspection because of this so to say it's detrimental to run them too cool is something I haven't heard of. You can't use the smallest, simplest, PT6A as the example of how you should run the entire fleet. The motors get more complex as they get larger. See Jason Talleys comment above about sulfidation on the blades caused by running too cool. That can be the result.
Sulfidation on the turbine blades is very common on the cooler running -21s. The -60's have higher ITT limits and do not seem to have as much of the blade Sulfidation problem.
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Post subject: Re: Should PT-6A’s Be Operated At A Margin Below ITT Limits? Posted: 30 May 2016, 12:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: Sulfidation on the turbine blades is very common on the cooler running -21s. The -60's have higher ITT limits and do not seem to have as much of the blade Sulfidation problem.  So we agree cooler is not better. And if you back off the ITT limits and run the -60s too cool you are likely have sulfidation problems over time. Probably bigger margin before too cool with a -60 then a -21. But hard to know where that threshold is with all the different PT6A variants.
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Post subject: Re: Should PT-6A’s Be Operated At A Margin Below ITT Limits? Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 22:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: Charles, you dont have the bug block in the M500 G1000?
Is 1180 your max torque on the -42? I see your Ng and ITT are low. Chip kind of answered, but you run torque limits on the Meridian. My understanding is that doing that pretty much guarantees that you can make book numbers up to the TBO of 3600 hrs, without temping out. I do know some meridian drivers that run by ITT's, and can get an additional 10 KTAS out of the bird. 10 knots is not worth it to me especially if it increases my HSI costs, or decreases my resale when someone looks over the trend monitoring, and sees that the bird was not run per the POH. Certainly the -42 in the Meridian lives an easy life.
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Post subject: Re: Should PT-6A’s Be Operated At A Margin Below ITT Limits? Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 22:52 |
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Username Protected wrote: I follow what Pratt recommends, they built the engine so knows how we should run it.,
It's almost comical how often this statement is wrong. I'm not picking on Pratt, in fact, the statement becomes even more true if you substitute Lycoming or Continental.
I think turbine/jet engine manufactures have honed in how to run these engines a lot better than piston manufactures, just a lot less going on in a turbine. I run torque charts in the PC12 not temp.
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Post subject: Re: Should PT-6A’s Be Operated At A Margin Below ITT Limits? Posted: 04 Jul 2016, 07:18 |
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Username Protected wrote: Sulfidation on the turbine blades is very common on the cooler running -21s. The -60's have higher ITT limits and do not seem to have as much of the blade Sulfidation problem.  So we agree cooler is not better. And if you back off the ITT limits and run the -60s too cool you are likely have sulfidation problems over time. Probably bigger margin before too cool with a -60 then a -21. But hard to know where that threshold is with all the different PT6A variants.
Probably not. The only PT6A that seems to have sulfidation problems with any type of regularity are the -21,-27,-28,-15 which are pretty much all the same engine. These are 680hp engines with solid vane rings. Once you get to the air cooled vane ring models that are 750hp and up, it seems like the temp limits were raised enough that the CT blade sulfidation problem went away.
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