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Post subject: Re: George, Why not TN a P210 with a 520 Posted: 08 Jan 2016, 15:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'll be #3 in line to say that the 210's gear system is fine. The gear system on the T/P210 Ns and beyond doesn't have the gear doors and it works great. Never had a single issue, and I've got to call BS on Todd's claim that "1/2 the fleet" has been landed gear up.
I also think the de-ice on the 210 - a known ice T210N in my case - works pretty well. Agreed that it only works on one vacuum pump however.
Robert Just to correct one point. The deicing system worked on only one vacuum pump through the 1982 models. For the 1983 N models, and the R models, Cessna changed the setup to where it was like a twin, 2 400 series vacuum pumps, both plumbed into the deicing boots. Aside from redundancy, this also doubled the inflating air supply and made the system much better at shedding ice. FWIW, I have had pretty good results with all three deicing setups on the P210, but they did get more effective with each incremental improvement. No piston airplane will be great in ice, but in my experience the P210 does pretty well. I live in Oregon, and we do get quite a bit of ice here. Even if a plane is FIKI, you can still get more ice than the deicing system can handle, this applies to the P210 as well as any booted piston light plane. Boots are there to facilitate getting out of icing conditions, not for flying along in icing conditions.
Jeff,
I have flown 310s, Barons, and even no-de-ice aircraft here in icing conditions that handled the ice much better than the P210. The P210 is horrible in ice and is the main reason I sold it. Richard Kaplan was so convinced of it that he removed his boots and installed TKS instead. If you would have been with me in the plane when the P210 would not shed and would not climb you would agree.
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Post subject: Re: George, Why not TN a P210 with a 520 Posted: 08 Jan 2016, 19:47 |
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Joined: 12/29/10 Posts: 2761 Post Likes: +2602 Location: Dallas, TX (KADS & KJWY)
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Username Protected wrote: Call BS all you want. Shop for a C-182RG, or 210 and read the books. It is not a good system. Any system that relies on a single hydraulic path to push the gear down is not a good system. Well, I have read the books and shopped for a T210. Bought one too. Is it a perfect system? No. However, you stated that "About 1/2 of the 210 fleet has been geared up" and I, again, will call BS on this. If you have data to back this up I'd love to see it, but otherwise you're just disparaging a plane with bad data. I'm more than happy to have a conversation about the design of the gear system, but let's not put false 'data' into the discussion please. Robert P.S. Full disclosure: Ironically, my T210 had a gear up before I owned it. No fault of the plane though - Pilot just got stupid. I've also had a nose gear collapse on my 421 (that was expensive...) and been involved in an investigation for a geared up Bonanza. Sometimes I think the Cirrus guys have it right!
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