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Post subject: Re: Extra 500 Posted: 13 Aug 2015, 10:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: The air boom uses nearly identical levels of oxygen as the cannula. I doubt this is true. The oxysaver cannula has a reservoir right under your nose which stores oxygen and releases when you inhale. The act of inhaling collapses the internal bag giving you the stored oxygen, particularly useful early in the inhalation since that gets deepest in your lungs. The AirBoom cannula doesn't have such a mechanism for "breathing" like that, so some oxygen is wasted during the time you are exhaling. It appears to be a continuous flow device. Rocket gives no indication as to usage on its web site. In fact, they give no useful data at all. If it was no more oxygen use, you would expect them to claim that, and they don't. Like I said, I'd like to see a side by side ride in a chamber between the oxysaver cannula and the AirBoom showing O2 levels and oxygen use required, and with a small fan blowing on your face. I'd be shocked if the AirBoom can achieve the same O2 levels at less than double the oxygen requirement, and it may easily be 4 or 5 times as much. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Extra 500 Posted: 13 Aug 2015, 13:44 |
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Joined: 12/17/10 Posts: 1626 Post Likes: +276 Location: Valparaiso, IN
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Username Protected wrote: The air boom uses nearly identical levels of oxygen as the cannula. I doubt this is true. The oxysaver cannula has a reservoir right under your nose which stores oxygen and releases when you inhale. The act of inhaling collapses the internal bag giving you the stored oxygen, particularly useful early in the inhalation since that gets deepest in your lungs. The AirBoom cannula doesn't have such a mechanism for "breathing" like that, so some oxygen is wasted during the time you are exhaling. It appears to be a continuous flow device. Rocket gives no indication as to usage on its web site. In fact, they give no useful data at all. If it was no more oxygen use, you would expect them to claim that, and they don't. Like I said, I'd like to see a side by side ride in a chamber between the oxysaver cannula and the AirBoom showing O2 levels and oxygen use required, and with a small fan blowing on your face. I'd be shocked if the AirBoom can achieve the same O2 levels at less than double the oxygen requirement, and it may easily be 4 or 5 times as much. Mike C.
My statements about it's oxygen use was what I was told from Rocket and my observation from use. I flew the airplane for 6 hours at 18,000 and four adults and didn't run out of oxygen. Sounds fairly efficient to me...
Here you have two pilots that have a combined 600+ hours experience with the air boom telling you that you're wrong but I guess that means nothing to you since you can't imagine it being so. I can't help you there. Facts are, the air boom works wonderfully well. Doesn't use much more oxygen than a cannula and is extremely non intrusive. I've had fans blowing in my face all the time and never had a single issue. I've had elderly people at 17,000 ft and never had a complaint. I've flown the plane at FL250 with my air boom and maintained 94% oxygenation. But don't take it from us. What do we know.
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Post subject: Re: Extra 500 Posted: 13 Aug 2015, 15:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: Mike, is there a thread you can poke into without getting into an unproductive pissing match about semantics with someone ? I apologize. I played my part in it. I've said my piece. Let's move on.
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Post subject: Re: Extra 500 Posted: 14 Aug 2015, 16:35 |
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So sad certification is so costly for new aircraft in the U.S. Lets hope PART 23 Certification re-write happens soon. All the cool designs are going to China. Same as the 5 Seat EPIC that was sold and now is the Primus 150 with the GE Engine. I find the entry door quite more efficient than the Evolution and also fits in smaller hangar. Same as the Extra 500. Range and efficiency were what the Extra was about. I think it is underpowered though....the GE 850 HP Engine might be a better fit for the Airframe & 6 passengers....
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Post subject: Re: Extra 500 Posted: 14 Aug 2015, 16:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: So sad certification is so costly for new aircraft in the U.S. Lets hope PART 23 Certification re-write happens soon. This aircraft is already approved under european rules and could have been brought into the US market through a fairly simple process. I just dont think that Extra was big enough of a company for that scope of a project. It is the same delusion that did in Grob Aerospace with the SpN jet project.
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Post subject: Re: Extra 500 Posted: 14 Aug 2015, 23:16 |
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Joined: 12/17/10 Posts: 1626 Post Likes: +276 Location: Valparaiso, IN
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Username Protected wrote: So sad certification is so costly for new aircraft in the U.S. Lets hope PART 23 Certification re-write happens soon. All the cool designs are going to China. Same as the 5 Seat EPIC that was sold and now is the Primus 150 with the GE Engine. I find the entry door quite more efficient than the Evolution and also fits in smaller hangar. Same as the Extra 500. Range and efficiency were what the Extra was about. I think it is underpowered though....the GE 850 HP Engine might be a better fit for the Airframe & 6 passengers.... My number 1 issue with the Evolution is how you get in. I would love an air stair.
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Post subject: Re: Extra 500 Posted: 15 Aug 2015, 00:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: I would love an air stair. There's no place you can put it without stretching (and possibly widening) the fuselage significantly. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Extra 500 Posted: 15 Aug 2015, 09:37 |
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Joined: 12/17/10 Posts: 1626 Post Likes: +276 Location: Valparaiso, IN
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Username Protected wrote: I would love an air stair. There's no place you can put it without stretching (and possibly widening) the fuselage significantly. Mike C.
I wasn't suggesting that one be put in the Evo, just that I'd like to have one. The Evo just ended up being the best overall airplane for my needs and price point.
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