I'm very curious about their cert and production plan. No details have been released from what I can tell so far. It is squarely aimed at the Chinese market (for good reason) but I don't know if they'll do it here or over there. I don't believe there is any way to get it certified and in production here by 2017...the FAA just won't work that quickly. If they do it over there, I don't know if there are bi-lateral agreements with the FAA... there hasn't been a real need, yet. Heck, I don't even know if they have a civilian cert authority to deal with new products. This would be a GREAT test case to push the Part 23 re-write, and very timely. Ultimately I think it will be produced over there, and the best we could hope for is approval to import it here and maybe a parallel production line in the US. I'm looking forward to seeing it play out.

That is what I currently don't know. There are sub-assemblies for Airbus and Boeing built in China currently, and the certification falls under their respective type certificates and production certificates and associated quality systems. There are provisions to oversee suppliers anywhere with the current regulations. There are bi-lateral or reciprocal agreements between the FAA and EASA to make it easier to certify a product that originates on either side of the Atlantic. An Airbus gets certified by EASA, and after a cursory review by the FAA, gets certified here and approved for import. Ditto for an Extra or Eurocopter or whatever. Likewise our planes get certified here by the FAA, reviewed by EASA and then approved for import over there. The FAA has made it so damn hard to certify here that the smarter business move is to do it over there, unfortunately, and we're running the risk of completely killing our industry...one of the last major exporting industries we have.

I DON'T know if there are similar agreements with China currently. Watching the M10 develop will be interesting, to say the least.

Well killing business here is the politician's #1 job especially when they are getting paid by the foreign countries that are getting the jobs.

This certification process just seems in some ways like a total waste of time and $$$$ and could be addressed in a different matter but what do we know? Were just the sucker's that are being bleed the $ to pay for these things. While we step up they will continue to do business as usual.

This is a really nice looking, economical to operate airplane with the diesel engine. (they are out of this world on prices as well). Fits my criteria very well as far as speed, range and operation cost. Shame it won't be available here and we've got to settle for 20+ year old planes to serve our needs instead.

Okay, while I agree the FAA is over the top, this comment is over the top.

You think American bureacracy is a killer? Chinese bureaucracy is a killer, many times literally. Remember the dog food melamine 'scandal' here? They had it in baby formula there. The government held a little show trial, executed the suckers, all to show the 'party' really does 'care' about the people. There's a half dozen similar issues in food safety alone, but they just get swept under the rug. Stuff that makes 'The Jungle' (Upton Sinclair) look tame sometimes.

We can be like China. We just have to be willing to have (literally) black rivers, air you're (literally) not supposed to breathe, and more. Oh, and their approach to speech makes the ridiculous 'free speech zones' look positively enlightened.

These are not uninformed opinions about China, they come from a former citizen and friend of mine, (Joe) Zhen Chao. He emigrated for a reason, and Chinese bureaucracy was no small part. The river he grew up next to is (literally) black, he had to wear a mask on his last visit to his (and his wife's - hers is in a different city) family. He'll be the first to tell you that American bureaucracy may be ponderous, but at least it isn't Chinese bureaucracy.

Everything he just said about China is so true. I see it all the time. In fact i was sitting in Tianjin outside of beijing when i first read that. Been going to many cities in China over the last 14 years and its absolutely unbelievable. What a mess they have themselves in. And, it seems to be getting worse with no turn around in sight. The pollution is so bad now they call 5 miles smoke and haze as CAVOK. They are lying to themselves!

If they are built in China, forget it. They are known to cut a lot of corners when manufacturing. They do things like using thinner walled steel tubing than specified in a contract to save money on steel.

Back to the new Mooneys. That M10J is a pretty slick looking machine and appears to have the performance to match. I believe it is going to be marketed in the US as well. However, I have heard bad things about that continental/mercedes diesel. It's reliability pushing the horsepower that little engine is rated at has proved questionable. The 1500 hour TBO almost seems to support that. Besides, shouldn't TBOs be getting longer with the new technology. Who the heck wants to rebuild an engine at 1200 hours?!?

Okay, while I agree the FAA is over the top, this comment is over the top.

You think American bureacracy is a killer? Chinese bureaucracy is a killer, many times literally. Remember the dog food melamine 'scandal' here? They had it in baby formula there. The government held a little show trial, executed the suckers, all to show the 'party' really does 'care' about the people. There's a half dozen similar issues in food safety alone, but they just get swept under the rug. Stuff that makes 'The Jungle' (Upton Sinclair) look tame sometimes.

We can be like China. We just have to be willing to have (literally) black rivers, air you're (literally) not supposed to breathe, and more. Oh, and their approach to speech makes the ridiculous 'free speech zones' look positively enlightened.

These are not uninformed opinions about China, they come from a former citizen and friend of mine, (Joe) Zhen Chao. He emigrated for a reason, and Chinese bureaucracy was no small part. The river he grew up next to is (literally) black, he had to wear a mask on his last visit to his (and his wife's - hers is in a different city) family. He'll be the first to tell you that American bureaucracy may be ponderous, but at least it isn't Chinese bureaucracy.

I don't care what China does personally. I do care that people don't see why companies move there. China is cheap due to a lack of environmental regulation. China is cheap because (although this is slowly changing) of low wages. China is cheap because the party will let you get away with an awful lot as long as the right palms are greased.

People also forget that companies like CAIGA are state-owned. They are buying lots of technology in the hope to bootstrap themselves from a cheap production economy to a higher tech economy. The problem with the first is the absolutely abysmal conditions you have to endure to keep yourself attractive to business. Even the slight rise in wages is driving companies at the lower end to other countries. Yes, already that is happening. Where are they going? Some places in Asia, Vietnam is one place.

Seriously, you need to get off the pipe.

You have a campaign against someone and I really don't care as it has nothing to do with my statements. You are just running with your cause associating my statements with common mis-beliefs you hear or believe from other people. Your working for a MNC doesn't really add up to much more than the kid who works for BK, McDonald's, KFC, Popeye's Chicken and others. There's lots of MNC's in the US.

Speaking of the US, yes a company can and is American according to their incorporation location and the US TAX CODES. Want relevant proof, look no further than Burger King who changed their nationality to Canadian in a very slick tax move. Hershey Chocolate tried to move their corporate location offshore to avoid the US taxes that they claim their competition Nestle does not have to pay as they are a Swiss company.

China is experiencing inflation with the rising cost of educated labor, higher real-estate cost, rising cost of resources, an American disease called consumerism and many other factors that are causing their competitive advantage to shrink from the years past.

Please don't preach Int'l business to me, I have a master's degree in it and school's out.

Back to the plane.. I still want one, Chinese own'd or not.

Nice promo video from Mooney.

[youtube]http://youtu.be/W6y7HOip2SM[/youtube]

Dave

AW&ST reports that Mooney outsourced the M10 prototype(s) to Dzyne Technologies in Irvine, CA. Dzyne's responsibilities included:

- Competitive analysis
- Configuration design
- Interiors
- Aerodynamics
- Propulsion
- Structures

Mooney itself designed the mechanical, electrical & avionics systems.

The article mentions that Mooney @ Chino will do the remaining design and development, thru production design, flight test and certification.