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Post subject: Re: Lancair IV-P Posted: 08 Aug 2014, 11:58 |
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Joined: 12/29/10 Posts: 1569 Post Likes: +523 Location: Houston, TX USA
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Username Protected wrote: The engine out would not really scare me. You leave the gear UP for any landing that is off-runway and the descent rates are still not good, but not horrible either. Once the gear comes down the descent rate gets ridiculous. I "glided" the Glasair down (with the short wing tips) with power off. You are looking at about 110 knots indicated to give you 1500-1700 FPM down. With the gear down you will be doing 2500+ FPM down. I normally agree with what you say Todd, but having about 50 hours in the IV-P now I can tell you that if an engine out scenario doesn't scare you, then you don't know the airplane. Losing an engine in cruise? No big deal, the descent rate is similar to an autorotation in the R44 or a flameout in my L39. It's manageable. The real concern is losing an engine on takeoff. If that happens at the airport I fly it out of before reaching 500 feet, there's a good chance I am going to die. In a Bonanza or any other low performance airplane, I wouldn't be too worried. Not only because they glide much better, but the big thing is that you can slow it to half the speed of the IV and when you do hit whatever you end up hitting, the airframe is far more robust. BWTHDIK
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Post subject: Re: Lancair IV-P Posted: 08 Aug 2014, 12:00 |
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Joined: 01/11/10 Posts: 3833 Post Likes: +4140 Location: (KADS) Dallas, TX
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Username Protected wrote: The engine out would not really scare me. You leave the gear UP for any landing that is off-runway and the descent rates are still not good, but not horrible either. Once the gear comes down the descent rate gets ridiculous. I "glided" the Glasair down (with the short wing tips) with power off. You are looking at about 110 knots indicated to give you 1500-1700 FPM down. With the gear down you will be doing 2500+ FPM down.
It takes a better pilot to fly these machines. Most people should not fly them as they can get away from you quickly if you are not use to the speed at which things happen. Funny thing - 60 years ago the V-Tail Bonanza was considered a high performance killer with a high wing load and super slippery airframe that would get you in trouble quickly. Today, the Bonanza is like a 152 compared to truly high performance planes. It is all what you get use to and what your skill set can handle. We hear the sentiment that a good pilot can handle these when ever the topic comes up. I'm sure they can in the right circumstances, but the right circumstances are not always available. In the video we have a race pilot that probably flies that aircraft everyday right at the edge of the envelope. He knows exactly were the runway is and that it isn't crowded because he's practicing. So perfect conditions and perfect piloting bring a perfect result. However, night, or IFR, or having to land off field, or a super cub cutting you off at 50 knots, or a gusting tailwind, or ???? and then what? Plenty of very experienced pilots with strong backgrounds have not been able to handle real emergency conditions in that bird. Just saying.
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Post subject: Re: Lancair IV-P Posted: 08 Aug 2014, 12:52 |
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Joined: 06/18/12 Posts: 10252 Post Likes: +8074 Company: Revolutionary Realty Location: Coeurdalene, ID (KCOE)
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Quote: I normally agree with what you say Todd, but having about 50 hours in the IV-P now I can tell you that if an engine out scenario doesn't scare you, then you don't know the airplane. The real concern is losing an engine on takeoff. If that happens at the airport I fly it out of before reaching 500 feet, there's a good chance I am going to die. In a Bonanza or any other low performance airplane, I wouldn't be too worried. Not only because they glide much better, but the big thing is that you can slow it to half the speed of the IV and when you do hit whatever you end up hitting, the airframe is far more robust. BWTHDIK Can't agree more. In 2002, an instructor crashed one about 3 miles from my house, at a private airfield, and he was again, an instructor, on that airplane, (2) fatalities. I built an Express RG2000 as a result of flying in a IVP, I just didn't like how fast I had to fly the (IV) plane on final; and I couldn't imagine what it'd be like w/o an engine running. To each his own, I guess, but I never ever want to have to hit anything in any airplane doing more than 90 MPH, and even that is fast, to me. The Lancair is again, a superb airplane, but my own need to go fast is tempered heavily with what it takes to slow down.
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