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PostPosted: 07 Jun 2022, 11:29 
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1961 BEECH 95-A55 TC-369 N9611Y
Sale price: WITHDRAWN

I am parting ways with my hot-rod N9611Y after 160 hours because I cannot manage the extensive annual which needs to be done. I can get a ferry permit anywhere in the country and am happy to fly her to you after we have a signed purchase agreement. You are welcome to come to Alpine WY and pre-buy her yourself, but I will not move her anywhere for a pre-buy. Those who followed my last thread will empathize with this decision.

This price is approaching the core value of the engines plus control surfaces and avionics, but there is NO need to part out 11Y.

11Y is in perfect working order, and trues over 200 KTAS on 25gph. Last annual was oct 30 2020, and the io550s run like sewing machines - no issues with hot starts, easy to LOP deep, and only 1143 since IRAN with matching times. She has not lived outside a hangar in the last 20 years. She has been maintained open-checkbook with 3 oil changes already by Tim Pullum at Driggs.

Prior to my ownership, Air Force phantom pilot turned Continental test pilot Charlie Arnet owned this plane for 20 years and almost 1200 hours. He did the Colemill conversion and had Continental's Doug Burdick conduct all the maintenance in Fairhope. In fact, this plane lived in Continental's hangar during that time. Towards the end of his ownership Charlie dropped to monthly hour-long flights (was 85 years old when he sold) but this has not appeared to negatively affect 11Y.

The long-span flaps on this light A model enable exceptional short field performance when paired with the big io550s.

Please see specifications and select pictures below, with an extensive data room at this google drive:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing

This plane will sell to the first individual who sends me an executed AOPA standard purchase agreement and places a deposit in escrow as indicated by that agreement. Ease of transaction is my number one priority. Don't waste my time, and I won't waste yours.

Engines
Colemill President II Conversion
STC# SA432S0
Continental io550e
Left: 1350.3 SNEW 2/24/2000
IRAN: 1143.3 hrs since factory IRAN 02/28/02
Compressions: 60, 75, 74, 60, 50, 56
Right: 1350.3 SNEW 2/24/2000
IRAN: 1143.3 hrs since factory IRAN 02/28/02
Compressions: 62, 58, 54, 66, 68, 66
Oil Sample 8/16/2021: 1305.3 All values in green
Oil Sample 4/29/21: 1265.5 SNEW All values in green [resolved with 44 hrs of flying]
Oil Sample 2/20/21: 1221.6 SNEW Fe, Ni, Al elevated [seems the plane wanted to fly more]

Airframe
AFTT: 78711.8 hrs
Serial Number: TC-369
Hours since purchase Jan 15, 2021: 160.2
Annual completed Oct 30, 2020; Hobbs 2227.9; AFTT 7710.6; Engines 1189.1
“100 hr” began Aug 16, 2021
-Replace both left engine exhaust stacks and bracket
-Clean quick-drains
-Oil change
-Inspect for corrosion
-Time right magnetos
Damage History: Gear retracted on landing roll, repaired 02/28/2002 at AFTT 6711.7 by TCM Teledyne Continental Motors Customer Support Center, FAA Repair Station No. TD4R254M

Performance
Sea Level Climb @ Vy: 2,500 FPM
Sea Level Cruise Climb @ 140 KIAS: 1,500 FPM
Economy cruise 50 LOP: 195 KTAS @ 12,500’ @ 11.5 gal/side 2300 RPM
Best cruise 70 ROP: 205 KTAS @ 8,500’ @ 16 gal/side 2500 RPM
Range: 136 gal usable, 900nm w/ IFR reserves @ econ

Weight & Balance
Empty Weight: 3452.50 lb
Gross Weight: 5,200.00 lb
Useful Load: 1,747.50 lb
CG arm: 77.24 in
Empty moment: 266,677.00

Panel
Stratus ESG ADS-B out 1090ES
Stratus 3i remote mount ADS-B in and backup AHRSx
STEC 50 2-axis autopilot
Shadin Fuel Flow
KI 227 s/n 38150
KCI 525a HSI s/n 81949
KMA 24 s/n 101071
KLN 90A s/n 11750
Kx 165 s/n 52179
Kx 155 s/n 111853
KN 64 s/n 61318
KR 87 s/n 26922
KI 209 s/n 66175
WX 900 w/n FNP04403026
iPad mount
EE-IP EGT gauge (mismatched by 150F but consistent)

Appearance
Hangared at least for last 21 years, most recently at Driggs, Idaho and Alpine, Wyoming
Interior 8/10 with clean cloth and sheepskin at pilot and copilot positions.
Third row of seats is in excellent condition and folds up/down in 10 seconds.
Exterior 6/10 - good from far, but up close uneven application on stabilizer and several dime-sized bald spots on leading edges become apparent. Worms under paint may or may not be corrosion, opinions vary. Extreme close-up images are included in the Data Room.

EXPENSIVE ANNUAL ITEMS FOR BUYER:
1) Left Alternator not working
2) Elevators and stabilizers might need corrosion remediation
3) New main tires
4) EGTs don't match
5) Possibly 2 cylinders
6) Overhaul mags
7) Props dynamic balance

Transparency matters. PLEASE read the data room, including the failed October pre-buy report, before contacting me. The amount of my time that has been wasted by people who later get scared off by it (rightfully so) is sizable.

Best,
-J


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 Post subject: Re: FS: 89k President II Baron, As-is Where-is
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Just wanted to say that the P2 is an amazing airplane - the 550s make far more difference than the numbers would suggest. (I see performance #s similar to whats posted here)

I just finished upgrading a '74 B55 to a P2, and with covid supply chain issues, it took a long time and a LOT of $$$. (no blame to the shops involved, its just the reality right now). I'm probably in $350K and a year to do it, when its all done. (plane + upgrade).

So an already converted plane has a lot of value even with some of these squaks. I'm not familiar with this plane, but at the listed price, someone could dump a lot of money into fixing it up and still come out ahead.


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 Post subject: Re: FS: 89k President II Baron, As-is Where-is
PostPosted: 07 Jun 2022, 23:07 
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EXPENSIVE ANNUAL ITEMS FOR BUYER:
1) Left Alternator not working
2) Elevators and stabilizers might need corrosion remediation
3) New main tires
4) EGTs don't match
5) Possibly 2 cylinders
6) Overhaul mags
7) Props dynamic balance

What was the quoted price for these items?

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 Post subject: Re: FS: 89k President II Baron, As-is Where-is
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Username Protected wrote:
EXPENSIVE ANNUAL ITEMS FOR BUYER:
1) Left Alternator not working
2) Elevators and stabilizers might need corrosion remediation
3) New main tires
4) EGTs don't match
5) Possibly 2 cylinders
6) Overhaul mags
7) Props dynamic balance

What was the quoted price for these items?


Have not gotten a quote and will not be doing so. I can’t imagine the buyer getting out of an annual for under 30k here if they do it right. Elevators are a big question mark. There’s a set for 5k on barnstormers. Just want to be entirely honest with the community. That’s why 11Y is priced at basically parts. Hope we find somebody with the right time and expertise to do this properly. It isn’t me.

Thanks for the kind words, Josef.

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 Post subject: Re: FS: 89k President II Baron, As-is Where-is
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Sorry this has been so frustrating. The elevators are the only thing that even raises an eyebrow for me and even those are pretty cheap in the scheme of things.


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Wow! Heck of a deal.

A 550 powered baron has always been on my wish list.

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 Post subject: Re: FS: $86,500 President II Baron
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It appears I mis-priced this baron. $2,500 price drop.

I leave for Sicily tomorrow for 2 weeks, which will make comms tough. Call or email me today if you want to chat.

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 Post subject: Re: FS: 89k President II Baron, As-is Where-is
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Agreed. Maybe it is worth getting a quote for the elevators. Everything else is basically what I would expect for a typical baron on the market.

The two barons I've bought each required ~$50K in miscellaneous work and I think that is not unusual for a 50 year old twin in average condition. There are a few barons in near perfect shape, but they will be priced a lot higher.



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Sorry this has been so frustrating. The elevators are the only thing that even raises an eyebrow for me and even those are pretty cheap in the scheme of things.


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Sorry this has been so frustrating. The elevators are the only thing that even raises an eyebrow for me and even those are pretty cheap in the scheme of things.


Joey at Biggs says 7k a side if they need total replacement. I don’t know that they do. Detailed pics in data room for buyer to reach their own conclusion.

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 Post subject: Re: FS: PRICE DROP $84,000 President II Baron
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Another price drop. 84k now. And a reminder that I flew this perfectly fine airplane 160 hours last year and put 10k Mx in. If there truly is no market for this plane out of annual, even in this market, this cheap, that’s wild - but I guess I’ll have to accept it. What happened to the advice about buying a plane that flies a lot, and doing an annual as your pre buy, and not trusting fresh annuals?

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No dog in this hunt, but if you are seriously trying to puzzle this out, from my view it would be:

Your "pre-annual discount" marketing leading into an annual where there is no specific squawk list, and your strange refusal to obtain one or quotes to abate/obtain airworthiness -- and now the quick price drops and public hand-wringing that nobody beat your door down?

It sounds like something catastrophic was discovered at the annual and you want to pass the hot potato. Worse, with your discounting leading into the annual, it sounds like you already knew what would be found and now it has come home to roost -- but you still won't disclose.

So there is smell of an undisclosed "gotcha", a knowing seller, and refusal to get it quoted and described. Yeah that sounds shady af and I think legitimate buyers are not wanting to mess with it.

I have no idea what is actually happening here, but you've marketed this poor plane (thrice?) very strangely and I think it's time to get a non-emotional broker involved to discover, disclose, document, and sell the damn thing for you.

But otherwise good luck with the sale and enjoy Sicily.


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No dog in this hunt, but if you are seriously trying to puzzle this out, from my view it would be:

Your "pre-annual discount" marketing leading into an annual where there is no specific squawk list, and your strange refusal to obtain one or quotes to abate/obtain airworthiness -- and now the quick price drops and public hand-wringing that nobody beat your door down?

It sounds like something catastrophic was discovered at the annual and you want to pass the hot potato. Worse, with your discounting leading into the annual, it sounds like you already knew what would be found and now it has come home to roost -- but you still won't disclose.

So there is smell of an undisclosed "gotcha", a knowing seller, and refusal to get it quoted and described. Yeah that sounds shady af and I think legitimate buyers are not wanting to mess with it.

I have no idea what is actually happening here, but you've marketed this poor plane (thrice?) very strangely and I think it's time to get a non-emotional broker involved to discover, disclose, document, and sell the damn thing for you.

But otherwise good luck with the sale and enjoy Sicily.


I think this is spot on.

I’m going to get quotes from the best beech specific shops and just bite the bullet on annual. The truth is I really just didn’t want to do this. I’ll pull this ad when I get to a computer, agreed no good will come of it at this point.

-J

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Yes, just bite the bullet, get it annualled, and you will probably want to keep it. These 55 Barons with the 550 conversions are a phenomenal airplane. If you sell, what’s going to replace it. If I had a mission that needed a twin, I would of bought it as is. But, I just sold my 310R because I wasn’t using it. You got a real gem, just feed it some AMU’s and keep flying it.


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You could pay for a pre-buy rather than an annual and have that include quotes to fix.

At the price you have, its OK for it to be a lot of $$ to get the plane in good shape.



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No dog in this hunt, but if you are seriously trying to puzzle this out, from my view it would be:

Your "pre-annual discount" marketing leading into an annual where there is no specific squawk list, and your strange refusal to obtain one or quotes to abate/obtain airworthiness -- and now the quick price drops and public hand-wringing that nobody beat your door down?

It sounds like something catastrophic was discovered at the annual and you want to pass the hot potato. Worse, with your discounting leading into the annual, it sounds like you already knew what would be found and now it has come home to roost -- but you still won't disclose.

So there is smell of an undisclosed "gotcha", a knowing seller, and refusal to get it quoted and described. Yeah that sounds shady af and I think legitimate buyers are not wanting to mess with it.

I have no idea what is actually happening here, but you've marketed this poor plane (thrice?) very strangely and I think it's time to get a non-emotional broker involved to discover, disclose, document, and sell the damn thing for you.

But otherwise good luck with the sale and enjoy Sicily.


I think this is spot on.

I’m going to get quotes from the best beech specific shops and just bite the bullet on annual. The truth is I really just didn’t want to do this. I’ll pull this ad when I get to a computer, agreed no good will come of it at this point.

-J


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You could pay for a pre-buy rather than an annual and have that include quotes to fix.

At the price you have, its OK for it to be a lot of $$ to get the plane in good shape.




This captures my thoughts better than I did. Removing the fear of the unknown can only help find this plane her next home


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