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Post subject: Withdrawn Posted: 07 Jun 2022, 11:29 |
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Joined: 10/04/19 Posts: 653 Post Likes: +398 Company: Capella Partners Location: Alpine Airpark, 46U
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1961 BEECH 95-A55 TC-369 N9611Y Sale price: WITHDRAWN I am parting ways with my hot-rod N9611Y after 160 hours because I cannot manage the extensive annual which needs to be done. I can get a ferry permit anywhere in the country and am happy to fly her to you after we have a signed purchase agreement. You are welcome to come to Alpine WY and pre-buy her yourself, but I will not move her anywhere for a pre-buy. Those who followed my last thread will empathize with this decision. This price is approaching the core value of the engines plus control surfaces and avionics, but there is NO need to part out 11Y. 11Y is in perfect working order, and trues over 200 KTAS on 25gph. Last annual was oct 30 2020, and the io550s run like sewing machines - no issues with hot starts, easy to LOP deep, and only 1143 since IRAN with matching times. She has not lived outside a hangar in the last 20 years. She has been maintained open-checkbook with 3 oil changes already by Tim Pullum at Driggs. Prior to my ownership, Air Force phantom pilot turned Continental test pilot Charlie Arnet owned this plane for 20 years and almost 1200 hours. He did the Colemill conversion and had Continental's Doug Burdick conduct all the maintenance in Fairhope. In fact, this plane lived in Continental's hangar during that time. Towards the end of his ownership Charlie dropped to monthly hour-long flights (was 85 years old when he sold) but this has not appeared to negatively affect 11Y. The long-span flaps on this light A model enable exceptional short field performance when paired with the big io550s. Please see specifications and select pictures below, with an extensive data room at this google drive: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharingThis plane will sell to the first individual who sends me an executed AOPA standard purchase agreement and places a deposit in escrow as indicated by that agreement. Ease of transaction is my number one priority. Don't waste my time, and I won't waste yours. Engines Colemill President II Conversion STC# SA432S0 Continental io550e Left: 1350.3 SNEW 2/24/2000 IRAN: 1143.3 hrs since factory IRAN 02/28/02 Compressions: 60, 75, 74, 60, 50, 56 Right: 1350.3 SNEW 2/24/2000 IRAN: 1143.3 hrs since factory IRAN 02/28/02 Compressions: 62, 58, 54, 66, 68, 66 Oil Sample 8/16/2021: 1305.3 All values in green Oil Sample 4/29/21: 1265.5 SNEW All values in green [resolved with 44 hrs of flying] Oil Sample 2/20/21: 1221.6 SNEW Fe, Ni, Al elevated [seems the plane wanted to fly more] Airframe AFTT: 78711.8 hrs Serial Number: TC-369 Hours since purchase Jan 15, 2021: 160.2 Annual completed Oct 30, 2020; Hobbs 2227.9; AFTT 7710.6; Engines 1189.1 “100 hr” began Aug 16, 2021 -Replace both left engine exhaust stacks and bracket -Clean quick-drains -Oil change -Inspect for corrosion -Time right magnetos Damage History: Gear retracted on landing roll, repaired 02/28/2002 at AFTT 6711.7 by TCM Teledyne Continental Motors Customer Support Center, FAA Repair Station No. TD4R254M Performance Sea Level Climb @ Vy: 2,500 FPM Sea Level Cruise Climb @ 140 KIAS: 1,500 FPM Economy cruise 50 LOP: 195 KTAS @ 12,500’ @ 11.5 gal/side 2300 RPM Best cruise 70 ROP: 205 KTAS @ 8,500’ @ 16 gal/side 2500 RPM Range: 136 gal usable, 900nm w/ IFR reserves @ econ Weight & Balance Empty Weight: 3452.50 lb Gross Weight: 5,200.00 lb Useful Load: 1,747.50 lb CG arm: 77.24 in Empty moment: 266,677.00 Panel Stratus ESG ADS-B out 1090ES Stratus 3i remote mount ADS-B in and backup AHRSx STEC 50 2-axis autopilot Shadin Fuel Flow KI 227 s/n 38150 KCI 525a HSI s/n 81949 KMA 24 s/n 101071 KLN 90A s/n 11750 Kx 165 s/n 52179 Kx 155 s/n 111853 KN 64 s/n 61318 KR 87 s/n 26922 KI 209 s/n 66175 WX 900 w/n FNP04403026 iPad mount EE-IP EGT gauge (mismatched by 150F but consistent) Appearance Hangared at least for last 21 years, most recently at Driggs, Idaho and Alpine, Wyoming Interior 8/10 with clean cloth and sheepskin at pilot and copilot positions. Third row of seats is in excellent condition and folds up/down in 10 seconds. Exterior 6/10 - good from far, but up close uneven application on stabilizer and several dime-sized bald spots on leading edges become apparent. Worms under paint may or may not be corrosion, opinions vary. Extreme close-up images are included in the Data Room. EXPENSIVE ANNUAL ITEMS FOR BUYER: 1) Left Alternator not working 2) Elevators and stabilizers might need corrosion remediation 3) New main tires 4) EGTs don't match 5) Possibly 2 cylinders 6) Overhaul mags 7) Props dynamic balance Transparency matters. PLEASE read the data room, including the failed October pre-buy report, before contacting me. The amount of my time that has been wasted by people who later get scared off by it (rightfully so) is sizable. Best, -J
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_________________ PPL AMEL @jacksonholepilot on instagram firstlast@gmail.com
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Post subject: Re: FS: 89k President II Baron, As-is Where-is Posted: 07 Jun 2022, 22:53 |
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Joined: 01/06/08 Posts: 4666 Post Likes: +2678
Aircraft: B55 P2
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Just wanted to say that the P2 is an amazing airplane - the 550s make far more difference than the numbers would suggest. (I see performance #s similar to whats posted here)
I just finished upgrading a '74 B55 to a P2, and with covid supply chain issues, it took a long time and a LOT of $$$. (no blame to the shops involved, its just the reality right now). I'm probably in $350K and a year to do it, when its all done. (plane + upgrade).
So an already converted plane has a lot of value even with some of these squaks. I'm not familiar with this plane, but at the listed price, someone could dump a lot of money into fixing it up and still come out ahead.
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Post subject: Re: FS: 89k President II Baron, As-is Where-is Posted: 07 Jun 2022, 23:07 |
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Joined: 08/20/09 Posts: 2395 Post Likes: +1858 Company: Jcrane, Inc. Location: KVES Greenville, OH
Aircraft: C441, RV7A
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Username Protected wrote: EXPENSIVE ANNUAL ITEMS FOR BUYER: 1) Left Alternator not working 2) Elevators and stabilizers might need corrosion remediation 3) New main tires 4) EGTs don't match 5) Possibly 2 cylinders 6) Overhaul mags 7) Props dynamic balance
What was the quoted price for these items?
_________________ Jack Stull
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Post subject: Re: FS: 89k President II Baron, As-is Where-is Posted: 07 Jun 2022, 23:25 |
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Joined: 10/04/19 Posts: 653 Post Likes: +398 Company: Capella Partners Location: Alpine Airpark, 46U
Aircraft: P35, TW Pacer
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Username Protected wrote: EXPENSIVE ANNUAL ITEMS FOR BUYER: 1) Left Alternator not working 2) Elevators and stabilizers might need corrosion remediation 3) New main tires 4) EGTs don't match 5) Possibly 2 cylinders 6) Overhaul mags 7) Props dynamic balance
What was the quoted price for these items?
Have not gotten a quote and will not be doing so. I can’t imagine the buyer getting out of an annual for under 30k here if they do it right. Elevators are a big question mark. There’s a set for 5k on barnstormers. Just want to be entirely honest with the community. That’s why 11Y is priced at basically parts. Hope we find somebody with the right time and expertise to do this properly. It isn’t me.
Thanks for the kind words, Josef.
-J
_________________ PPL AMEL @jacksonholepilot on instagram firstlast@gmail.com
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Post subject: Re: FS: 89k President II Baron, As-is Where-is Posted: 08 Jun 2022, 00:37 |
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Joined: 11/11/12 Posts: 1560 Post Likes: +809 Location: san francisco (KHAF)
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Sorry this has been so frustrating. The elevators are the only thing that even raises an eyebrow for me and even those are pretty cheap in the scheme of things.
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Post subject: Re: FS: 89k President II Baron, As-is Where-is Posted: 08 Jun 2022, 19:26 |
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Joined: 01/06/08 Posts: 4666 Post Likes: +2678
Aircraft: B55 P2
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Agreed. Maybe it is worth getting a quote for the elevators. Everything else is basically what I would expect for a typical baron on the market. The two barons I've bought each required ~$50K in miscellaneous work and I think that is not unusual for a 50 year old twin in average condition. There are a few barons in near perfect shape, but they will be priced a lot higher. Username Protected wrote: Sorry this has been so frustrating. The elevators are the only thing that even raises an eyebrow for me and even those are pretty cheap in the scheme of things.
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Post subject: Re: FS: 89k President II Baron, As-is Where-is Posted: 08 Jun 2022, 19:33 |
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Joined: 10/04/19 Posts: 653 Post Likes: +398 Company: Capella Partners Location: Alpine Airpark, 46U
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Username Protected wrote: Sorry this has been so frustrating. The elevators are the only thing that even raises an eyebrow for me and even those are pretty cheap in the scheme of things.
Joey at Biggs says 7k a side if they need total replacement. I don’t know that they do. Detailed pics in data room for buyer to reach their own conclusion.
-J
_________________ PPL AMEL @jacksonholepilot on instagram firstlast@gmail.com
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Post subject: Re: FS: PRICE DROP $84,000 President II Baron Posted: 10 Jun 2022, 19:42 |
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Joined: 06/07/19 Posts: 209 Post Likes: +348
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No dog in this hunt, but if you are seriously trying to puzzle this out, from my view it would be:
Your "pre-annual discount" marketing leading into an annual where there is no specific squawk list, and your strange refusal to obtain one or quotes to abate/obtain airworthiness -- and now the quick price drops and public hand-wringing that nobody beat your door down?
It sounds like something catastrophic was discovered at the annual and you want to pass the hot potato. Worse, with your discounting leading into the annual, it sounds like you already knew what would be found and now it has come home to roost -- but you still won't disclose.
So there is smell of an undisclosed "gotcha", a knowing seller, and refusal to get it quoted and described. Yeah that sounds shady af and I think legitimate buyers are not wanting to mess with it.
I have no idea what is actually happening here, but you've marketed this poor plane (thrice?) very strangely and I think it's time to get a non-emotional broker involved to discover, disclose, document, and sell the damn thing for you.
But otherwise good luck with the sale and enjoy Sicily.
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Post subject: Re: FS: PRICE DROP $84,000 President II Baron Posted: 10 Jun 2022, 20:21 |
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Joined: 10/04/19 Posts: 653 Post Likes: +398 Company: Capella Partners Location: Alpine Airpark, 46U
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Username Protected wrote: No dog in this hunt, but if you are seriously trying to puzzle this out, from my view it would be:
Your "pre-annual discount" marketing leading into an annual where there is no specific squawk list, and your strange refusal to obtain one or quotes to abate/obtain airworthiness -- and now the quick price drops and public hand-wringing that nobody beat your door down?
It sounds like something catastrophic was discovered at the annual and you want to pass the hot potato. Worse, with your discounting leading into the annual, it sounds like you already knew what would be found and now it has come home to roost -- but you still won't disclose.
So there is smell of an undisclosed "gotcha", a knowing seller, and refusal to get it quoted and described. Yeah that sounds shady af and I think legitimate buyers are not wanting to mess with it.
I have no idea what is actually happening here, but you've marketed this poor plane (thrice?) very strangely and I think it's time to get a non-emotional broker involved to discover, disclose, document, and sell the damn thing for you.
But otherwise good luck with the sale and enjoy Sicily. I think this is spot on. I’m going to get quotes from the best beech specific shops and just bite the bullet on annual. The truth is I really just didn’t want to do this. I’ll pull this ad when I get to a computer, agreed no good will come of it at this point. -J
_________________ PPL AMEL @jacksonholepilot on instagram firstlast@gmail.com
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Post subject: Re: FS: PRICE DROP $84,000 President II Baron Posted: 10 Jun 2022, 20:53 |
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Joined: 01/12/11 Posts: 311 Post Likes: +79
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Yes, just bite the bullet, get it annualled, and you will probably want to keep it. These 55 Barons with the 550 conversions are a phenomenal airplane. If you sell, what’s going to replace it. If I had a mission that needed a twin, I would of bought it as is. But, I just sold my 310R because I wasn’t using it. You got a real gem, just feed it some AMU’s and keep flying it.
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Post subject: Re: FS: PRICE DROP $84,000 President II Baron Posted: 10 Jun 2022, 22:36 |
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Joined: 01/06/08 Posts: 4666 Post Likes: +2678
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You could pay for a pre-buy rather than an annual and have that include quotes to fix. At the price you have, its OK for it to be a lot of $$ to get the plane in good shape. Username Protected wrote: No dog in this hunt, but if you are seriously trying to puzzle this out, from my view it would be:
Your "pre-annual discount" marketing leading into an annual where there is no specific squawk list, and your strange refusal to obtain one or quotes to abate/obtain airworthiness -- and now the quick price drops and public hand-wringing that nobody beat your door down?
It sounds like something catastrophic was discovered at the annual and you want to pass the hot potato. Worse, with your discounting leading into the annual, it sounds like you already knew what would be found and now it has come home to roost -- but you still won't disclose.
So there is smell of an undisclosed "gotcha", a knowing seller, and refusal to get it quoted and described. Yeah that sounds shady af and I think legitimate buyers are not wanting to mess with it.
I have no idea what is actually happening here, but you've marketed this poor plane (thrice?) very strangely and I think it's time to get a non-emotional broker involved to discover, disclose, document, and sell the damn thing for you.
But otherwise good luck with the sale and enjoy Sicily. I think this is spot on. I’m going to get quotes from the best beech specific shops and just bite the bullet on annual. The truth is I really just didn’t want to do this. I’ll pull this ad when I get to a computer, agreed no good will come of it at this point. -J
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Post subject: Re: FS: PRICE DROP $84,000 President II Baron Posted: 10 Jun 2022, 23:03 |
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Joined: 06/07/19 Posts: 209 Post Likes: +348
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Username Protected wrote: You could pay for a pre-buy rather than an annual and have that include quotes to fix.
At the price you have, its OK for it to be a lot of $$ to get the plane in good shape.
This captures my thoughts better than I did. Removing the fear of the unknown can only help find this plane her next home
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