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 Post subject: FS: 1966 Turbo Commander 680V NO LONGER FOR SALE
PostPosted: 27 Feb 2019, 01:31 
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It is with great sadness I have to face the reality that my financial commitments this year and next makes it impossible to keep or finish my sweet 1966 Turbo Commander 680V (with the Century -1 engine conversion) in a timely manner. Life isn't always easy. I've spent a lot of time and money on her to get her to this point over the last 4 years and she has a brand new panel with new avionics and new radar. She flies great and is reliable technically, but has a few things that still need to be completed (which I'll specify below).

I really don't want to part out such a sweet plane and hope she can find a loving home, half hoping she won't sell.....

Aircraft is at AeroAir Inc, a veteran Commander service center in Hillsboro, OR. She's just completed her phase there, but will need about $50-70K spent on her to comply with the full discrepancy or upgrade list (included below). Many of them you could ignore if you are so inclined, but should probably be done (boots, prop inspection, etc). You can either complete with AeroAir, or ferry her to somewhere else to complete. I flew her up myself just before Xmas and like I said, she's mechanically solid and flies great.

This is probably the most economical twin turboprop you could own and the one twin turboprop that you actually can run for C421 money. Here's why:

1. No recurring spar inspections.
2. No mandatory gear overhauls.
3. No calendar items - you just phase inspect (annual) her every 100hr and fly. If you only fly 25hrs per year, you do a phase inspection every 4th year. Very few aircraft have maintenance intervals this easy.
4. Economical plastic windscreens and picture windows - all the later models had heated glass windscreens and they cost 10x as much to replace.
5. Plenty of spare parts.
6. Economical and fuel efficient upgraded Century engines.

1966 Turbo Commander 680V
N171AT
Price: $189,000 USD

Contact:
Mr. Adam Frisch
Polyscope Films Inc
Phone: PM me or email on lectrajet-at-gmail-dot-com

All times are approx due to books being at service center:

Airframe:
6870 TT
Engine: 4350 SOH, 1400 TSHI, 5400hr TBO – Garret TPE331-1-151K
Propeller: 100hrs -ish since new, Hartzell Q-tip via STC (can't recall exact hours since install, but less than 200, can confirm with service center upon request).

Max Gross Takeoff Weight: 9400 lbs
Basic Empty Weight: 6300-ish lbs (need to do new W&B after avionics upgrade)
Useful Load: 3000 lbs
Usable Fuel Capacity: 337 gallons (aux LR tanks)

Avionics:
Avidyne IFD540 w. radar option and SVS, WAAS
New RDR-2000 (controlled from IFD)
Garmin GNC255 Nav/Com
Avidyne AXP322 S-Mode remote TXP controlled from IFD540, ADS-B In and Out
L3 ESI 500 Genesis
Collins FD-108
Collins GS
Bendix Radar Altimeter
Avidyne AMX240 Audio Panel
H-14 Autopilot (recently serviced, works perfectly)
Apple Ipad Mini panel mount w. power
USB chargers panel mounted
Digital Clock
Digital Temp

Miscellaneous Maintenance:
New engine mount/yoke right engine (or was it left? I'll have to check)
New winglets with STC
New rear gear door removal mod via STC (reduces complexity and speeds up retraction)
New trim cables
New Gill batteries 2016
Newly polished windows
Newly resealed windows
Leak proofed floor
New steering column and pedal boots
New panel
Newly upholstered pilot and co-pilot seat
New radar
New ELT battery
New gear bungees
New cabin door frame alignment
New wing root seals
New pilot window (removal of vent window)
New compass
New aileron and flap hardware
New LED landing lights (4x)
New light covers
Newly overhauled starter/generators
Newly spray tested nozzles (not in logbook, unfortunately)
New exhaust and inlet covers from Bruce's Custom
New UMA-panel lighting

Exterior:
Paint oxidized, 6/10, but not flaking.
White with maroon stripes

Interior:
Partial new interior 2017

Performance:
Speed: 240-250kts
Fuel burn: 64gal/hr mid teens, under 60gal/hr in the twenties.
Fuel capacity: 337gal
Max ceiling: 25000ft
Max differential: 4.2psi
Max range: 1200nm

What needs to be done (you can see the estimate list below from AeroAir). Here are the big items:

1. Main wing boots need replacing. $12210
2. LE 3rd wheel cycled out. Estimated at $15K at Hancock Enterprises with a used wheel with 2400 cycles.
3. Prop IRAN. Estimated at $8500. Not mandatory part 91, but prob a good idea. Props are almost new and have very little time on them. Q-tips.
4. Right outboard bladder leaking. Hard to say the cost, if it can be repaired it's pretty cheap, if it needs replacing it's about $2K per bladder. There are multiple bladders in there, but unlikely that all leak - it's probably just one or two.
5. MLG tires slightly cracked but not unairworthy.
6. Cabin still leaks a little and needs to be troubleshot and resealed. Diff only manages about 2.5psi. Pedal boots, wing roots and windows eliminated. Floor sealed. It's either door, or somewhere in cabin somewhere. Prob where the outer panel plates meet, guess it just needs sealant.
7. Except for pilot and co-pilot seat, interior is out and at an upholstery shop in Corona, CA. It is half paid for already ($6000 remaining). In case new owner does not want to use that shop (they do good work, but are not good communicators), I will collect interior and have it delivered as part of sale.

I prefer to use an established aviation escrow service to protect both parties.

Sorry, for mostly having exterior pics, but there are a few video clips where you can see the panel and front chairs.

Video clips:

[youtube]http://youtu.be/oMeofRtlbaQ[/youtube]
[youtube]http://youtu.be/4Uqw8_TkwjQ[/youtube]


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 Post subject: Re: FS: 1966 Turbo Commander 680V
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Adam sorry to see you part with such a nice plane, have you ever considered a partnership over there? Might be good solution?

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Adam sorry to see you part with such a nice plane, have you ever considered a partnership over there? Might be good solution?


Thank you.

It's an idea, but just seems very complicated. I'm not a good organizer or papers person. But I would consider it if someone was interested. I'm half hoping she won't sell.

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Sorry to see your selling your plane too Adam. Hope you're going to stay in aviation and stick around the BT community.


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Nooooooooo! Your airplane ownership story so far has been one of the most interesting and engaging things on the wider flying forums.


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Thank you Ross.

Might just ferry her back and pickle her until I don't have all these financial demands on me. I realize it's a tough sell as she sits right now with deferred items. Will see what happens.

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Adam,

I am very sad to hear this.
I could feel the passion and love you had for this airplane.
Shoot, I loved it through you.

Good luck with your sale, whomever buys it will have an airplane that was owned with pride.

I respect you.

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Adam,

I am very sad to hear this.
I could feel the passion and love you had for this airplane.
Shoot, I loved it through you.

Good luck with your sale, whomever buys it will have an airplane that was owned with pride.

I respect you.

Arnie.


Thanks Arnie!

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Great flying planes! Flew one in the the 70s for about 1000hours. The 151K's make it a good performer.
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Adam,

Does it fit it a standard T hangar?


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Does it fit it a standard T hangar?


Don't think so. Mine is in a T-hangar, but I don't think it has standard dimensions. Barely fits in there. I literally have 2" of space. If the flaps are not down, she doesn't fit.


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Has there ever been an stc for -10 engines for the 680?


No, there has not. The 680/681 models have smaller props (that also turn the other way compared to 690's) and as far as I know, they never made a higher rpm gearbox that can take the power of the -10's.

The one mod there is is the so called Super One or Super Dave mod. It mates the -6 compressor to the -1 turbine stage to produce over 800hp. As far as I know, only two planes exist with that mod - one in Canada and one in Colombia. They're rocketships. Faster than a 690 with -5's and almost as fast as the -10 models (about 280kts). The STC is still available from National, but at $50K aside, plus the mod to the engines, it doesn't make much sense. You might as well just get a -10 690B.

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