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 Post subject: Re: 1961 Twin Bonanza D50-E
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As nice as this T Bone is, the Queen Air seems like a downgrade, to me.

Matt, wait until you see what Wes does with the Queen Air.... guaranteed no downgrade!

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Wes, what are the details of the Queen Air you're getting?


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Is it safe to assume the cost to operate and maintain a D50-E well exceeds that of a 70s model 58 Baron? I’m in the market for a 55/58 Baron, but I absolutely love the look of the twin bonanza.


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Adam has said the cost is similar to his previous B55 except the Twin Bonanza burns a bit more fuel to go a bit slower.

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Tbone is going to be less than a 58, to buy and to run I think. The Lycosaurus engines just keep on trucking vs the Baron Conti’s seem to give no end of financial pain. The Tbone is stout and so simple to work on, annuals for me have been less than my 55. That is offset by the increased fuel burn though, but who cares. The versatility of all that space is so nice, and owning a vintage classic is super fun. Family prefers the Tbone vs any other piston which just got too tight with 4 plus occasional granny and the dog and bags and boogie boards and e-scooters or whatever else you want to haul. You need a big hangar though, I have a 50 footer and it’s pretty tight. Great group over in the Tbone forum, come on in, water is warm! :thumbup:

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Is it safe to assume the cost to operate and maintain a D50-E well exceeds that of a 70s model 58 Baron? I’m in the market for a 55/58 Baron, but I absolutely love the look of the twin bonanza.


The thing about TwinBos is that they’re halfway to a King Air in terms of size. It’s almost unfair to compare them to Barons. When you walk up to one, let alone sit in one, it has a big airplane feel. Barons and Bonanzas are “typical GA,” like C182s, Cherokees, and the like. TwinBos, while slower than Barons for the same fuel flow, offer a much more pleasant experience than typical GA airplanes.

This particular one seems to need nothing and strikes me as a much better deal than a 70s Baron 58, unless you really need the extra 30 knots. I just crossed the US, California to NY and back, in my D50E. Three of us and lots of gear at 160 KTAS, usually at oxygen altitudes. A Baron would’ve shaved a few hours off, but it would still be two days each way. And I’ve flown mine from CA to NY in one very long day :-)


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Where else can you set the autopilot, set an alarm clock for 2-4 hours, pop in the back and watch a movie or take a nap in the couch in the back, wake up, descend, and land.

That is a gorgeous T-BONE!!!


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Yeah, the big cabin is worth giving up 30 knots of speed to us: Image


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Yeah, the big cabin is worth giving up 30 knots of speed to us


It's only 30 kts if you're comparing to a light 55 with the p2 conversion. More like 15-20 kts vs my P600 55 which would do about 180-185 (booted). My D50E cruises about 165 kts at 8k. I've been in a few 58's that do around 175. Most of our trips are 300-400 NM so the speed delta isn't very noticeable... the space is quite noticeable though!

Wes's plane is the one to get.

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APPLES AND ORANGES.

Operations of a Twin Bo compared to a 58 Barron will be more expensive as: shorter TBO, slower speed, similar hourly fuel burn.

Comfort of T Bone is beyond any small twin engine aircraft.

If you like off airport landings then a Twin Bonanza will make you smile?

The air stair door of the T Bone makes for ease of entry and egress....ideal for older pilots and passengers


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Go FIRST CLASS

Get tired ?

Get up, go aft and recline on a couch or back seat, add a portable toilet in back with curtain for privacy.....

STRETCH horizontally


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Word to the wisest

Often the most expensive aircraft example is by far the best value, especially if the bells and whistles are recently top of line.

Double value for newish autopilot.


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I forgot

Go FIRST CLASS

Get tired ?

Get up, go aft and recline on a couch or back seat, add a portable toilet in back with curtain for privacy.....

STRETCH horizontally


yup! Those little black squares on the ceiling of mine are Velcro patches to attach a privacy curtain. We carry a folding camp toilet for the long legs.


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Can’t believe this is still unsold.

Guys, if you want a clean one with little chance of that first annual “gotcha”, this is it. Wes is the seller you want, and IMO $190k is a bargain for what you get.

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Is this still for sale?

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