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 Post subject: SOLD 2002 Rotorway 162F
PostPosted: 13 Jul 2020, 15:24 
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2 place experimental helicopter, 330 hours TT. Asking $50,000

Sure you can fly an ILS down to minimums but can you hover???

I purchased this helicopter from the original owner/builder in 2017 after I took a demo flight from Airmark Helicopters at Sun -n- Fun. This helicopter had been idle for a long time and Airmark replaced all the life limited components, bearings, hoses, belts, etc. I trained in it starting with no helicopter experience and obtained my helicopter rating. It is a blast to fly but to be perfectly honest it isn't a traveling machine if you're used to a Bonanza or Baron. It is time for me to sell it and buy a Bonanza again. Will consider trades.

Rotorway has been around for decades. The 162F has a fuel injected, dual fadec engine. It burns 7-8 gph of 93 octane autogas but can also run on 100LL. This helicopter has several desirable upgrades including Talon Landing Gear, Cog Belt, and Electric Clutch. All build and maintenance manuals and videos are included.

There are Rotorway experts that will travel to your location for training or maintenance and the Rotorway Owners Group is also very helpful.

Bruce Cathcart


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 Post subject: Re: FS: 2002 Rotorway 162F
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Saw your post on ROG. I have almost the same trailer with a wood deck. Hope you get a good buyer for your machine, but I think in a few years you will miss the feel of a collective. I did.


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What was your insurance like learning on it? Or self insure?


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 Post subject: Re: FS: 2002 Rotorway 162F
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Yes, ROG is the logical place to list my helicopter but over the years I’ve sold my Bonanza
and Baron on Beechtalk and the people who responded to my ad were serious about buying. Not a bunch of tire kickers.


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 Post subject: Re: FS: 2002 Rotorway 162F
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First year insurance was about $3,500. I watched a YouTube video on dynamic rollover and figured that I needed it!


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 Post subject: Re: FS: 2002 Rotorway 162F
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$3500 is really good for a new helicopter pilot on an experimental! I have over 2600 hours of helo time and my first year was $3131.


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Yes that's much better than what I was expecting


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 Post subject: Re: FS: 2002 Rotorway 162F
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Just curious but how many hours did you fly before check ride? Private or Commercial? Looks like fun!


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2 place experimental helicopter, 330 hours TT. Asking $50,000

Sure you can fly an ILS down to minimums but can you hover???

I purchased this helicopter from the original owner/builder in 2017 after I took a demo flight from Airmark Helicopters at Sun -n- Fun. This helicopter had been idle for a long time and Airmark replaced all the life limited components, bearings, hoses, belts, etc. I trained in it starting with no helicopter experience and obtained my helicopter rating. It is a blast to fly but to be perfectly honest it isn't a traveling machine if you're used to a Bonanza or Baron. It is time for me to sell it and buy a Bonanza again. Will consider trades.

Rotorway has been around for decades. The 162F has a fuel injected, dual fadec engine. It burns 7-8 gph of 93 octane autogas but can also run on 100LL. This helicopter has several desirable upgrades including Talon Landing Gear, Cog Belt, and Electric Clutch. All build and maintenance manuals and videos are included.

There are Rotorway experts that will travel to your location for training or maintenance and the Rotorway Owners Group is also very helpful.

Bruce Cathcart




Nice to see one with some hours on it. Seems like most for sale have between 35-55 hours—which makes one wonder.


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 Post subject: Re: FS: 2002 Rotorway 162F
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Nice to see one with some hours on it. Seems like most for sale have between 35-55 hours—which makes one wonder.


A lot of low time Rotorway's for sale are for sale for one of two reasons IMO: 1) Amateur built and they liked to build but maybe not fly so much; or 2) the builder was sucked into the Rotorway marketing of "Even you can own a personal Helicopter" and once they started learning to fly it decided it was too much.

Being an experimental there are some that are not built to well, but those can be spotted by an educated pre-buy.

Rotorway has an owners group on-line that has lots of helpful people including some who have been with Rotorway since the beginning. The gentleman that gave me my insurance checkout has over 10,000 hours in Rotorway helicopters!

There are some Rotorway required maintenance points that can cost some money, but so far (other than insurance) my Rotorway doesn't cost me any more than my Bonanza to maintain.


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Just curious but how many hours did you fly before check ride? Private or Commercial? Looks like fun!


I had about 15 hours when I soloed and about 40 when I took my check ride. I think I could have done it in less time but I wasn’t too concerned because my hourly costs were substantially lower than if I had to rent a helo. On the other hand, I’m an ATP pilot with about 4000 hours so I might be a little more comfortable with training than some. Like any other rating if you study before you get in the aircraft and fly consistently, you will learn more efficiently.


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 Post subject: Re: FS: 2002 Rotorway 162F
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Nice to see one with some hours on it. Seems like most for sale have between 35-55 hours—which makes one wonder.


A lot of low time Rotorway's for sale are for sale for one of two reasons IMO: 1) Amateur built and they liked to build but maybe not fly so much; or 2) the builder was sucked into the Rotorway marketing of "Even you can own a personal Helicopter" and once they started learning to fly it decided it was too much.

Being an experimental there are some that are not built to well, but those can be spotted by an educated pre-buy.

Rotorway has an owners group on-line that has lots of helpful people including some who have been with Rotorway since the beginning. The gentleman that gave me my insurance checkout has over 10,000 hours in Rotorway helicopters!

There are some Rotorway required maintenance points that can cost some money, but so far (other than insurance) my Rotorway doesn't cost me any more than my Bonanza to maintain.


I think there are some as you suggest that have bitten off more than they can chew but I don’t think flying a helicopter is beyond the ability of any reasonably skilled fix wing pilot. I think some imagine themselves packing up the wife and going away for the weekend in the helicopter. This is really not realistic. Rotorway makes a cargo pad for carrying some small bags, and I have one that I have never used. It’s great for going somewhere for lunch or site seeing but not as a traveling machine.

I bought it because I thought it was cool and wanted the challenge of getting my helicopter rating. Renting a helicopter is $3-400/hr, very restrictive, and probably not available at your local FBO. If you fly 100 hrs you’ve almost paid for the helicopter and you still have an asset. If one wanted to build rotor time it would be hard to find a better way to do it.

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 Post subject: Re: FS: 2002 Rotorway 162F
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Nice to see one with some hours on it. Seems like most for sale have between 35-55 hours—which makes one wonder.


You see this with EAB fixed wing aircraft, too. Check out the number of hours on a lot of Cub Crafters planes. I think it's there are builders and flyers and usually it's one or the other...

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 Post subject: Re: FS: 2002 Rotorway 162F
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I think there are some as you suggest that have bitten off more than they can chew but I don’t think flying a helicopter is beyond the ability of any reasonably skilled fix wing pilot. I think some imagine themselves packing up the wife and going away for the weekend in the helicopter. This is really not realistic. Rotorway makes a cargo pad for carrying some small bags, and I have one that I have never used. It’s great for going somewhere for lunch or site seeing but not as a traveling machine.

I bought it because I thought it was cool and wanted the challenge of getting my helicopter rating. Renting a helicopter is $3-400/hr, very restrictive, and probably not available at your local FBO. If you fly 100 hrs you’ve almost paid for the helicopter and you still have an asset. If one wanted to build rotor time it would be hard to find a better way to do it.


Agree.


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What is a realistic hourly DOC? MTX hours/flight hour? In other words, aside from insurance and hangar, what's it cost to fly this?

What is the rotor span?

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