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 Post subject: Re: FS: 1978 Navajo Panther Conversion (430W, TAS 600, XM, F
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Is that useful correct?
Only a 2,013 pound UL?


Yes it is correct. Here is the latest W&B form. What am I missing?

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 Post subject: Re: FS: 1978 Navajo Panther Conversion (430W, TAS 600, XM, F
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You did not miss anything. Stock PA31’s were about 2500 UL.
This plane has a lot stuff added on, its a nice plane.


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 Post subject: Re: FS: 1978 Navajo Panther Conversion (430W, TAS 600, XM, F
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The Government(s) added lots of useful equipment. A panel redo could net significant weight loss if necessary.

With the Panther upgrade, this plane has Chieftain motors (11 passenger) without the equivalent paperwork increases as is common with many performance STCs.

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 Post subject: Re: FS: 1978 Navajo Panther Conversion (430W, TAS 600, XM, F
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Pretty standard weight really. And this aircraft has the Keith electric A/C installed which is a pretty significant weight. It also has the Nayak long range fuel tanks installed which are more weight.

Pretty rare to see one with a crew door and a cargo door, not to mention the straight wing tips.


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I was doing some flight planning for an upcoming trip. Here are the stats for the Navajo nonstop from AZ to PA using a nice tailwind.


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 Post subject: Re: FS: 1978 Navajo Panther Conversion (430W, TAS 600, XM, F
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Price reduced to $299,000. Ad updated to reflect 11/2017 annual inspection.

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Navajo stats from Payson AZ to York Pennsylvania.

8 on board (including baby)
Flew low at 13,000
Filled wing tanks 187.3 usable
Left aux tanks empty (54 more gallons available)

KPAN to KMKC 4:15 148 gallons

KMKC to KTHV 3:45 134 gallons

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N708 ... V/tracklog

Had some light icing east of Kansas City. Used hot windshield, boots, and prop heat. All systems GO.

Total fuel cost from AZ to PA - $1,340. Airline tix for same flight - $4,000.

Took a pic of trip stats. Avg is 180.5. For reference, the 421C was 183.5 and the Baron was 170.7. Navajo is lower than 421C due to altitudes flown.


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Video post landing

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Enroute video. Heavy load - long range with 8 on board plus luggage for a week.

16.5gph/side. 13,000’ 190ktas

Temps in video

http://youtu.be/-g1bto8WJ4E

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Another enroute cabin vid. Notice no headsets required (same dB as 421C) to argue with your sister. All new plastics, windows, headliner, usb ports, etc.

At the annual this month the JPI was sent out for a new screen (the other was weak at night), the factory CHT probes were replaced, the #2 com was OHd (old digits were a little ugly), the overhead pilot switch panel was replaced (it was ugly), and the crew window plastic was replaced.

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 Post subject: Re: FS: 1978 Navajo Panther Conversion (430W, TAS 600, XM, F
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Knowing how JJ cares for his planes, if I was in the market I would buy this plane and go get it without a prebuy faster than Todd S.

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Knowing how JJ cares for his planes, if I was in the market I would buy this plane and go get it without a prebuy faster than Todd S.

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good presentation.

If i were to move from my turbo Aztec, this would be the ship for me.

FL130 and no O2 being used?


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good presentation.

If i were to move from my turbo Aztec, this would be the ship for me.

FL130 and no O2 being used?


Pilots have O2 (see oxyarm in video) and passengers have masks/cannulas available. They use them on and off with O2D2 (systems front and rear) when they feel they need it.

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