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 Post subject: Re: 182RG to a Twin
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That's a beauty Cody. Do yourself and favor and if you can afford to, keep it when you upgrade. I'm about to upgrade but ain't no way I'm parting with the 182. I KNOW I'll regret it. It's too much fun to fly and an absolute no-brainer to own/operate. It's so simple and easy and I have nearly no stress when I go up in her. I know that my next step up is going to involve a lot more brain power to fly, own and operate and that I'll miss the 182 if I sold her. The Skylane isn't the best at anything but it does everything very nicely and has a way of growing roots into your heart.


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 Post subject: Re: 182RG to a Twin
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You will almost certainly succeed in learning any airplane pilot skill requirements and achieve fine stick and rudder skills.

Tim Spear is so right. Decision making is the real challenge. Weather is not our friend.


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 Post subject: Re: 182RG to a Twin
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Cody,

I hate to generalize, but your questions and desires scare me. I've seen it all before, and it doesn't end well. I've been flying and owning planes for 30 years - instructing, charter, business, personal, VFR, IFR, icing, thunderstorms, cross continent, local, floatplanes etc. Along the way I've got to meet many pilots and airplane owners, and see many things - you are planting yourself in a situation that is not good. There is a reason insurance companies run and hide from low time pilots, RG's, expensive airplanes, etc. And now you are bundling all these factors against you, and saying you don't see the problem...

With 100 hours, probably majority dual, you've barely had to make any real world decisions...You haven't seen any real weather, long cross countries, many different airstrips etc. JFK Jr had 350 hours and probably felt extremely confident with all the training and dual he had, but first time he was in a not very challenging situation he couldn't cope. And that was a Saratoga, not nearly as slippery as a Bo or Baron.

And you haven't even tasted maintenance costs, heck with a $1200 annual, they must have pencil whipped a number of things. I can't even get a C172 properly annualled for less than 2 AMU's.

You've got a great IFR platform right now, fly the heck out of it for the next 12 months and lets talk again about your next step. Read the other posts here, one about one guys ambitious plans with a Mooney, another with a guy trading down from a TBM to a Bo and enjoying every minute of it.

Once again, my apologies for generalizing and being critical, but in 10 years time you will look back and understand what I am trying to say.

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 Post subject: Re: 182RG to a Twin
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Cody,

I hate to generalize, but your questions and desires scare me. I've seen it all before, and it doesn't end well. I've been flying and owning planes for 30 years - instructing, charter, business, personal, VFR, IFR, icing, thunderstorms, cross continent, local, floatplanes etc. Along the way I've got to meet many pilots and airplane owners, and see many things - you are planting yourself in a situation that is not good. There is a reason insurance companies run and hide from low time pilots, RG's, expensive airplanes, etc. And now you are bundling all these factors against you, and saying you don't see the problem...

With 100 hours, probably majority dual, you've barely had to make any real world decisions...You haven't seen any real weather, long cross countries, many different airstrips etc. JFK Jr had 350 hours and probably felt extremely confident with all the training and dual he had, but first time he was in a not very challenging situation he couldn't cope. And that was a Saratoga, not nearly as slippery as a Bo or Baron.

And you haven't even tasted maintenance costs, heck with a $1200 annual, they must have pencil whipped a number of things. I can't even get a C172 properly annualled for less than 2 AMU's.

You've got a great IFR platform right now, fly the heck out of it for the next 12 months and lets talk again about your next step. Read the other posts here, one about one guys ambitious plans with a Mooney, another with a guy trading down from a TBM to a Bo and enjoying every minute of it.

Once again, my apologies for generalizing and being critical, but in 10 years time you will look back and understand what I am trying to say.

Don


Don,

A lot of people told me the same thing. I am still here.... :D

I am in the computer field, one of the best statements I have read is many mainframe programmers always talk about how much experience they have. The reality is they have one year of experience twenty times. They have never expanded their horizons, they never expand the envelope. The vast majority of pilots fits this mold, many with thousands of hours flying 50-75 hours a year in blue skies for a hamburger to an airport with a 4K runway. (Yes I am over generalizing in a condescending manor to make a point)

The key is a methodical approach. Generally there are two avenues for this:
  1. Approach by flying alone, gradually expanding your comfortable flight envelope then buying and selling multiple aircraft over many years spending and wasting a lot of money and time.
  2. You can skip all the steps in between and jump to a more capable aircraft. Then fly with a mentor pilot and make lots of phone calls. Start with the easy weather and gradually expand your flying skills to match the more capable airplane.

The point is to learn ADM, not just the flying skills.

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 Post subject: Re: 182RG to a Twin
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I love the C82rg..

Still trying to sell it?

Can't believe it hasn't sold.. great airplane..


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Cody, I see you have acquired the flying disease. I'm one of many guys that has owned a few airplanes in the "step-up" process. If you can afford to get into the airplane that has the capability you want, by all means proceed. However, remember this.........Don't let your wallet get in front of your ability and experience level. Quality training is important as is gaining experience. The best experience is gained in small portions. The outcome of these experiences becomes wisdom. Don't let this disease ruin your life or worse. There are support groups for this sickness, and you've found one of the best here with Beechtalk.


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I love the C82rg..

Still trying to sell it?

Can't believe it hasn't sold.. great airplane..


I'm not selling It for a long time!

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 Post subject: Re: 182RG to a Sartoga 2TC
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Two weeks ago I bought a 2001 Saratoga 2 TC
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Very nice and clean plane

I am super happy I didn't go with a 1980 old crappy Bonanza with outdated avionics for the same money!!!! heehe. That some get some of you Beechtalkers talking

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wow....didn't see that coming....... :scratch:


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 Post subject: Re: 182RG to a Twin
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I'd like to applaud you on your Saratoga, Cody which is a very fine airplane. However, I fail to see what you're trying to accomplish with your stir-the-pot insult. No need.

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I think he just told us to fleck off.


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I'd like to applaud you on your Saratoga, Cody which is a very fine airplane. However, I fail to see what you're trying to accomplish with your stir-the-pot insult. No need.




Because it's great fun to see all you loyal beech guys think that Beech is the only plane in the air and to be honest it gets sickening reading the same old crap from the Beech guys all the time.

Oh, and last I checked its a free country

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Congrats on the new plane. I think it's a better upgrade for you than a P-twin for sure.

No need to be a jackhole about it, though. Talk up the Saratago all you like; we'll listen and feel good for you. Take it negative and don't be surprised when you get a negative reaction...


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Odd that there are so many beech guys in this chat room. Must be a bunch of fanatics.


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