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 Post subject: Large aircraft mechanic to small plane owner
PostPosted: 12 Feb 2019, 11:43 
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Hi everyone,
I have been aircraft mechanic on large aircraft for the past 10 years and the thought came to my mind that I could buy an old plane for a restoration. Eventualy I found few interesting projects in my area like belly landing mooneys but one stands out from the others a Beech 1964 B33 debonair...
So what I know:
-the plane is partially dismentled but all original part are there.
-The paint was very poor, cracked and peeling off so it has been stripped off.
-One of the elevators need skin repair.
- There are corrosion spots on some of the areas where the paint was bad.
-crankshaft corroded apparently has to be replaced.
What I don't know:
-How much I would pay I think arround 20k$.
-The doabillity of the project.
-Does the debonair has the same standing than a bonanza or maybe I can upgrade instrument and interior to this level?
-Is it reasonable?
-All the rest...

I post here at a beech community to seek some clues that can make me taking the good decision so any comment are welcome. Tanks in advance.


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 Post subject: Re: Large aircraft mechanic to small plane owner
PostPosted: 12 Feb 2019, 11:53 
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I'm not a mechanic, so there's literally no price low enough that I would take on a project like that.

If you have $20k to spend, plus $10k for parts... even assuming your time is free... for $30k or thereabouts there are older flying Bonanzas you can get. Those planes will honestly need some work, but you can fly while you restore and that might be a nicer experience.

Howzabout this one?
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 Post subject: Re: Large aircraft mechanic to small plane owner
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Don't do it thinking you will save money over buying a nice, flyable Deb. You won't.

If it has magnesium elevators, you'll need to re-skin in aluminum, not cheap. Other magnesium parts may have been damaged by chemical strip.

What's a paint job now, $12k?

Engine and prop & accesories OH, $40k if you're lucky.

Refurbish instruments and avionics, $3k to $10k

Refurbish interior $6-$8k

Replace fuel cells $5k

etc, etc, etc.


Doing it as a labor of love because you love Debonairs and the hell with the money. :thumbup:


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 Post subject: Re: Large aircraft mechanic to small plane owner
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Way too much money for what you described. $20k is in-annual flying clunker price point. when you gotta show up with a trailer and a shovel, cut the price in half or quarter it, depending on case-by-case condition.

You gotta know you're buying good bones.

You need to list out your personal strong and weak areas and buy a project that centers around your strengths. Are you a good sheetmetal tech, composites, QA, Systems... ??

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 Post subject: Re: Large aircraft mechanic to small plane owner
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Jeremy, I forgot to say WELCOME!

Some personal details will really help iron out the viability of taking on a project:

Do you have hangar space, or a garage workshop?
Where do you live?
Are you looking to flip it for a profit, or use it to learn to fly?
Do you already have a mission for this plane?
Are there aspects of a restoration that you would not personally do? Structural work, Rigging, Paint, Electrical, Avionics, Glass, Interior, Engine?

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 Post subject: Re: Large aircraft mechanic to small plane owner
PostPosted: 13 Feb 2019, 10:22 
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Thanks all for taking the time to reply I really appreciated.

You comfort my idea that the price is at the moment too high so this has to be negotiated but I am in Europe so the market is smaller...

The plan would be to do almost everything by my own including paint job, engine overhaul, systems... except equipment, instrument, avionics that I have to send to shop.
My garare lenght is 21ft31in and apparently even without tail it don't fit so unfortunately I have to find another solution maybe to rent one and then I think it will be parked outside.

My main mission for this plane would be visiting my familly 600 miles away and also doing some vacations trips and maybe also contracting.

I know it doesn't sound very realistic but I don't see any reason that make it very impossible.


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If you decide to do this, or another project, find a “mentor” that you can call and ask “dumb” questions to. A friend of mine works for an airline an is restoring a 172. While the theory is the same, it’s amazing how many simply questions you will want to run by someone. You’ll also likely have lots of paperwork questions, as you find you won’t require an EO for everything that you do.


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For $10K this one sounds to me like an excellent parts source for the flyable Deb you buy and restore. If it has been partially disassembled for anything but a very short time I'd personally be reluctant to fly it as it is entirely possible that some small easily missed parts have gone missing or that things otherwise would not be exposed to the elements have been.


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