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 Post subject: New to BT; question on K35
PostPosted: 22 May 2017, 13:22 
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I'm a retired AF cargo pilot, now into GA to stay close to flying and do compassion flying. I teach in the ANG C-17 simulator at KMRB, and fly out of there and KCXY. After flying various other makes, I ran into some Beech enthusiasts and helped start Beech Aero Club of Frederick at KFDK flying a 1963 Debonair. I love the way it flies and BPPP was a great start to learning to fly it right. I also like all the info on this site to help me learn more about the community.

I recently came across a K35 for sale locally. I'm considering purchasing, either individually or trying to use it to form another flying club focusing on cross country use. A fellow club owner is an A&P who made the first pass over records and aircraft condition, and the initial impression is good potential: looks to be a solid airframe that has been cared for, but needs fresh avionics. At this stage I have 2 basic questions: 1-any experience out there with the K35, to recommend for/against? (lots of folks seem to be partial to their year model); and 2-since I don't have any Beech experience other than my Deb, how do I connect with local pilots willing to show off their J/K/M35 so I can get a feel for how this model flies?

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 Post subject: Re: New to BT; question on K35
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Welcome aboard John. I owned a K for 7 or 8 years. Great plane. The fuel system can be complicated if it has aux tanks or direct feed tip tanks. But you'll be able to figure that out. If you are going to use it for CC make sure it already has a good AP, or allow lots of $$ for addition of a new one. If it has the right equipment, and a good engine, you can get a lot of bang for the buck..


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 Post subject: Re: New to BT; question on K35
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Very happy with our J35 and jealous of the extra fuel capacity of the K. What engine does it have in it, ours has been upgraded to a 470N. We see real cruise speeds in the mid 160's ROP or high 150's LOP.

You can search members with similar models close to your airport.

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 Post subject: Re: New to BT; question on K35
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It has aux tanks (10 gal each) and D'Shannon tip tanks (15 gal each). Fuel system does seem complicated, but there's enough gouge out there in BPPP or BT that I'm sure I can figure it out. I like the options that much fuel brings.

Airframe has 3050 TT, engine is 245 SMOH. Engine has been upgraded to N at OH.

All avionics are old, except STEC 60-2 AP. The 2-axis AP is a big plus for me, I can catch up later on avionics, especially with all the part 23 reforms coming.

Not too many local options on the Beech Ambassador list, but I'll work local contacts.

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 Post subject: Re: New to BT; question on K35
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Sounds like a solid airplane John. Transfer or direct feed from the tips? Who did the overhaul and are there receipts for the parts replaced and machine work done? My K had aux and tips also, and I loved the range. Never had an issue with fuel management, but my background was similar to yours...


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 Post subject: Re: New to BT; question on K35
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Tips each have a transfer pump to it's respective main tank. We're working through the records (seem complete, but not all documentation found yet) to confirm all the work was properly done, and where.


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 Post subject: Re: New to BT; question on K35
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You won't find a great deal of difference between the way the Deb flies and the way the K files, except that you will have the better horsepower in the IO-470-N. You want to check the landing gear carefully, along with the flap travel; and also take a good look for corrosion of the ruddervators and ailerons.

You may have a 200 lb gross weight increase with the tip tanks, but the IO-470-N will handle it. The J35 was the first model to return fuel to the tank being used; so operationally it is a bit simpler. You may have a limitations that no longer exist on the current tip tanks, but you would need to talk to the supplier about those issues.

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 Post subject: Re: New to BT; question on K35
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Tips each have a transfer pump to it's respective main tank. We're working through the records (seem complete, but not all documentation found yet) to confirm all the work was properly done, and where.

The transfer system makes for easier fuel management, but the issue of a failed pump and inability to xfer has to be considered. In my 18 years with the xfer system that has only happened once and while it occurred at a distant remote location, it wasn't a big deal. It was solved by a syphon hose and 5 gallon fuel container after landing.
The S-tec 60 is a BIG plus. A good used 430W installed with an indicator and coupled to the AP and you are good for WAAS approaches...


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 Post subject: Re: New to BT; question on K35
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I have a K35 based at Old Bridge, NJ. I could help with a ride, if you're interested.

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John, welcome to BT! I am also a retired C-141/C-17 IP/EP. Glad to have you here...and you'll love the J/K/M if you get one. I miss my S35...particularly at the fuel pump!

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John, welcome to BT! I am also a retired C-141/C-17 IP/EP. Glad to have you here...and you'll love the J/K/M if you get one. I miss my S35...particularly at the fuel pump!


"T" tail mafia coming out of the woodwork! :thumbup:

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John - I am in Easton, MD. Feel free to call me if you want to get together.

I have a J model, albeit rather modified.

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Hi, John!

Looks like a nice bird! Best wishes with your decision.

Looks like you've had one offer already, but have you checked the mentor list? Someone might have that or a similar model: mentor.php

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