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Opening her up a bit....

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Opening her up a bit....


Nice!
Time to change your tag line Tony

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Congrats on what appears to be an exceptionally well taken care of bird.

Am curious what you forecast for hourly cost. Do you think $400/hr captures everything?


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Am curious what you forecast for hourly cost. Do you think $400/hr captures everything?


If a 421B can be flown for $400/hr, that'll be on my shopping list in a few years. My estimate puts the cost at $600/hr.


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600 per hour is the cost for 100 to 150 hours per year. If you fly less 100 the cost will go up a little.


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Dry lease rates are usually around $450.00 . I think it's in the 650.00 range

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Nice plane. I have never even been in a 421. Closest is a C414. I see the 4 place club from the pictures, Does the plane have a 5th seat in back or a potty?
Also, now that you have 10 hours or so in the bird I see that ground speeds are running mid 220's to 230's at altitude. What TAS are you getting there? Ever been in an Aerostar? how does the cabin compare? I think that the AEST 601P would be slightly more speed on a bit less fuel but is the cabin drastically smaller? I will bet the C421B is a bit quieter as well, yea?

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Tony........how did you come up with "The Golden turkey".......really? :scratch: :scratch:

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Tony, why not the "Golden Hawk"


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Nice plane. I have never even been in a 421. Closest is a C414. I see the 4 place club from the pictures, Does the plane have a 5th seat in back or a potty?
Also, now that you have 10 hours or so in the bird I see that ground speeds are running mid 220's to 230's at altitude. What TAS are you getting there? Ever been in an Aerostar? how does the cabin compare? I think that the AEST 601P would be slightly more speed on a bit less fuel but is the cabin drastically smaller? I will bet the C421B is a bit quieter as well, yea?

Carry on.

Brian,

My typical speeds so far have been 215 to 225 at FL230 . I'm burning about 40gph with very cool temps. I have been in an Aerostar and love them. They are 20kts faster for the same fuel. They also climb a lot better....so then why did I get a 421?? Comfort,Space and more comfort.... Extremely easy to fly. Over 2.2k of useful with a great CG.....oh and it is soooo quiet even at haul ass rpm of 1900

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[quote="Gerald Alves"]Tony, why not the "Golden Hawk"[/

It's just what a friend of mine likes to call it....btw have you seen what a 40lb male turkey can do to you? They can be vicious !

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I've flown in a C421B and they are remarkably quiet but it's still surprising to me how quiet your video is. Love it.

BTW, why are the L/R FF's so different in that video? Are they not accurate?

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I've flown in a C421B and they are remarkably quiet but it's still surprising to me how quiet your video is. Love it.

BTW, why are the L/R FF's so different in that video? Are they not accurate?


The analog fuel flow meter is accurate in certain parts of its range like full throttle but not in the 18-25gph range. Obviously the JPI Fuel flow is dead on. When I take it in for annual in sept I'm going to have that looked at...

That speed was at the louder 1900rpms. It is quieter at 1800 but not by much. This B model has the wider cord props which do smooth it out ....

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I've flown in a C421B and they are remarkably quiet but it's still surprising to me how quiet your video is. Love it.

BTW, why are the L/R FF's so different in that video? Are they not accurate?


The analog fuel flow meter is accurate in certain parts of its range like full throttle but not in the 18-25gph range. Obviously the JPI Fuel flow is dead on. When I take it in for annual in sept I'm going to have that looked at...

That speed was at the louder 1900rpms. It is quieter at 1800 but not by much. This B model has the wider cord props which do smooth it out ....


While you've got them looking at the FF gauges, you might want to take JC's lead and have them install a PPT switch in the aft lav as well. VERY convenient! ;)
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I think it's in the 650.00 range


Going to depend on fuel prices and maintenance - Some years will be below that number and some will be well above!

Unless you do your own maintenance, have a cheap hangar, and buy cheap self serve fuel all of the time, you'll never get the hourly cost down to $450/hour!

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