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 Post subject: Re: Disaster narrowly averted - fuel cap issue
PostPosted: 19 Sep 2017, 12:18 
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Gabbs wear out -- in my case it was at about 6000 hours. Cam wears, the get loose. Shaws are better. bh


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 Post subject: Re: Disaster narrowly averted - fuel cap issue
PostPosted: 19 Sep 2017, 12:22 
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After finally talking my wife into flying with me, I headed to the airport to get there in plenty of time before her to pre-flight and fuel the plane. She shows up and I make sure to make here as comfortable as possible. Explain to her door procedures, emergencies, etc. She's taking it all in better than I expected!

We're taking off and she's still looking comfortable. All too easy of course. I looked over my left wing and see a stream of mist clearly coming out of the left fuel cap. Damnation! "Honey, we need to return and land." "Why would we need to do that?" "Because your husband was too stupid to make sure the fuel cap was completely tightened apparently!"

Turns out that the gasket/seal had reached its useful life and cap would not completely seal. With that and a previous experience of trying to clear from the fuel pump so another plane could fuel and forgetting to place fuel cap on, I have a fuel cap obsession. Double check and always check caps during take off. Surprising how much fuel siphons out in a short flight.


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 Post subject: Re: Disaster narrowly averted - fuel cap issue
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After 40+ years of flying Bonanzas and Barons, this leaking fuel cap/lifting fuel cell/erroneous high fuel quantity keeps coming up. This must be happening much more than what we read about.


I think that the fuel adapters (what the fuel cap screws into) are wearing out. I replaced mine 6 years ago. No leaks since.

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 Post subject: Re: Disaster narrowly averted - fuel cap issue
PostPosted: 19 Sep 2017, 13:42 
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You or your AP needs to report this to the FAA, forgot what they call them but they do log maintenance anomalies.


Ya ,,,, they're here to help! Right? SMH


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 Post subject: Re: Disaster narrowly averted - fuel cap issue
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Scary stories! I'll be checking on gear up and sporadically in cruise from now on.


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 Post subject: Re: Disaster narrowly averted - fuel cap issue
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Go here for info on fuel caps. Aircraft Sruce has real good pricing on the blue Orings

http://www.csobeech.com/fuel-caps.html


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Flew Barons at GTA (check hauler) in 2000. We had to check the caps on take off, and with a flashlight at night. Reason was we had a fellow pilot that worked there have this happen to him. The short story we got was at night on a leg, lost his engine, started cross fueling and got it going again, switched back to main tanks for landing, lost the engine again short final, VMC'd and died. Happened at Corsicana airport. Fuel tank read that it had fuel, but the bladder had been sucked up while fuel was being "venturied" out the cap. Made reading erroneous. We also would never let the fueler put the fuel caps back on. If they did, I would undo them and redo myself.

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I have a timer set on the GTN750 every 15 minutes for system checks. I check every gauge, read EGT and CHT for each cylinder as well as fuel flow on JPI 830, check CO2 and Blood Oxygen level. Now I'll add look at the fuel caps. I've had several leaking cap issues with Bonanzas I flew in the past, but haven't with the Baron and did not with the Travel Air, but easily could. I realize all of this should be part of a continuous scan, I've just found building a scheduled regimen to be helpful.


I do something very similar to this, only every 30 min. The reminder on the GNS430W is very useful.

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Here’s the thing: throughout the approach the fuel gauge for the affected tank, which has always proven to be reliable, read exactly what we would have expected to see, i.e. a nearly full tank. This was because the rubber fuel cell had risen with the suction and pushed the sender arm up in just the same way a full tank of avgas would have done.


Fuel starvation, on approach, at low altitude doesn't sound like fun. Before I start my decent out of altitude for landing I always wiggle(slight) the rudder peddles and introduce a small slip and look for the correct deviation in the right/left fuel gauges. This verifies the senders are registering fuel sloshing around in the bladders/tanks(I have four). If it doesn't wiggle...don't select it. This doesn't work if the tank is full but this is generally not the case at the end of a flight.


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