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 Post subject: Re: NA Barons over 200 KTAS
PostPosted: 10 Jun 2017, 21:53 
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At 7500 feet I will get a TAS of 210kts and at 12,500 202 KTS in my A55 Baron with IO550 engines.
I almost always fly between 11,000 and 12,000.

I can get there in 10 minutes and those are very efficient altitudes.


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 Post subject: Re: NA Barons over 200 KTAS
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my only concern with the TN 58 conversion is going to be the cost. if it's 50k for an A36- does that mean it'll be 100k for a 58? a tough swallow on an airframe that could already be 400-500k (mid-late 90s).

so i'd be 500-600k all in for a decent mid 90's B58. It's a badass plane, but this is a tough decision when the same capital would by me a pressurized Jet-A TP single. Not to mention the fact that as more less-costly turbines flood the market the prices on Legacy TBMs will continue to fall.

I'd love to go to a B58. but I could never back up to unpressurized after having it. pressure is a game changer.

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I am sure the TN'd 58 Baron will be a great performer with better fuel specifics and greater speed than a 58TC. But... you can buy a decent 58TC for $150k and be done already. I suspect the TAT 58 STC will include a gross weight increase but the 58TC is already 6200 lbs. Of course I would argue that the 58P is a better choice than a 58TC but I am just using the 58TC for comparison purposes.


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+1

Never experienced it but...

is there any greater pilot euphoria than realizing you've got too much power?

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Probably... but I wouldn't be talking about it on BT. :lol:


I'll take offense to that as soon as I find my pills.
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 Post subject: Re: NA Barons over 200 KTAS
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My 58tc at 12,000ft %75 power is 214 TAS

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Just for perspective...
56TC :D


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Just for perspective...
56TC :D


John-

That's stellar. What sort of O2 system are you wearing? And what's the FF needed to get 240true?

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John-

That's stellar. What sort of O2 system are you wearing? And what's the FF needed to get 240true?


I have both nose canulas and a full mask w/ built-in mike. I also have ball flow meters on the O2 tubes which I monitor, a pulse oximeter on my finger to monitor my blood O2 level, plus a backup handheld O2 bottle. I prefer the canulas in the teens but use the mask above FL20. Yeah, it's a lot of stuff but I want to be extra careful at altitude and generally just do it solo.

Fuel Flow for 240 TAS at FL250 is about 52 GPH

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It's all about fuel flow. It always is. If you want to go fast you're going to eat a lot of fuel.
No matter how you slice it or dice it, everything else being equal and even not so equal, it's always about fuel flow. :peace:


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It's all about fuel flow. It always is. If you want to go fast you're going to eat a lot of fuel.
No matter how you slice it or dice it, everything else being equal and even not so equal, it's always about fuel flow. :peace:


Perhaps there should be a BeechTalk sub thread just for the 56TC but it gets put under the Beech Turbines section. There it will be considered a fuel sipper and it does after all actually have a turbine.

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I am curious about the altimeter setting...

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I believe you can push an Aerostar 700 upwards of 260 tas + at 25,000 msl. Then again, you will be burning over 50 gal. hr. Like I said, avgas, jetA, it doesn't matter, if you want to go fast, you're going to suck it down in a big way. There's no getting around it.


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Yes but when you're sucking down 50gph or more the price diff between avgas and jetA becomes more meaningful.

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I am curious about the altimeter setting...


Yeah. Good pickup. Busted.

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