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What is the fastest flavor of Baron? (below 12,500')
I can do 200+ KTAS in my IO550 BE58 that grosses at 5500#, with boots, but without VGs.

So I would guess a lighter plane (any other Baron, be it 55 or 58), with 550s should be able to go faster... I just wonder what is the heirarchy of speed demons.

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Rumor is the TN baron just got approved. So, I'd be interested in seeing what happens there.


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What is the fastest flavor of Baron? (below 12,500')
I can do 200+ KTAS in my IO550 BE58 that grosses at 5500#, with boots, but without VGs.

So I would guess a lighter plane (any other Baron), with 550s should be able to go faster... I just wonder what is the heirarchy of speed demons.

:popcorn:


How much "+"?

I was able to get my former C55 w/ 520's 2 blade props up to 202 WOT. Not going to find a much lighter Baron than an older 55.

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Remove the limitations imposed by your altitude limit and enjoy 240KTAS in a P Baron. You will not, however, experience this at economy cruise.


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TAS is irrelevant unless you're comparing glass to glass which has been discussed here before. The steam gauges are all optimistic as can be seen in this pic I saw on Controller a while back. There is an 8-9 knot differential between the factory gauge and the G500 TAS. Everyone "looses" at least 5 knots by going to glass which are accurate.

I suspect the real top TAS for most 58 barons is about 195 kts.

My 58 Baron has 550s, no boots or VGs, and scimitar props. Used to see 203-204 before the G500. Now 195 is about all I can eek out on colder days when I'm light.

However, more gratifying to me is humming along at 185 true on 11.5 gph per side LOP. I much prefer the slower speeds on mizerly fuel burns and low cabin noise.


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202 knots at 12,500 in my A55 with IO550's is a no brainer, I do that every week.
Down low at 7500 I have seen as much as 210knots.
No boots or radar. I do have VG's.


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How is that possible with 26 knots on the nose/quartering headwind? :bugeye:


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Gerald, I believe that for your early 1960's A55 w 550s. Great performers! I was referring to 58 barons as was referenced by Raj in his original post. You have one fine machine!

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How is that possible with 26 knots on the nose/quartering headwind? :bugeye:



Because that's true airspeed. The aircraft doesn't care about a head or tail wind, only the pilot cares about GS.


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How is that possible with 26 knots on the nose/quartering headwind? :bugeye:



Because that's true airspeed. The aircraft doesn't care about a head or tail wind, only the pilot cares about GS.


That was what jibbed me up, for some reason I always thought the GS was on the lower airspeed tape not on top. Went back and looked at the picture and saw the GS up top.

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What is the fastest flavor of Baron? (below 12,500')
I can do 200+ KTAS in my IO550 BE58 that grosses at 5500#, with boots, but without VGs.

So I would guess a lighter plane (any other Baron), with 550s should be able to go faster... I just wonder what is the heirarchy of speed demons.

:popcorn:


How much "+"?

I was able to get my former C55 w/ 520's 2 blade props up to 202 WOT. Not going to find a much lighter Baron than an older 55.

-Kevin


Amen.

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Gerald, I believe that for your early 1960's A55 w 550s. Great performers! I was referring to 58 barons as was referenced by Raj in his original post. You have one fine machine!

I was actually "calling all cars" - I want to know the fastest Baron - any model - below 12,500Ft

And no, not hypothesis or opinion (I got plenty of those :D ) but actual experience.. :thumbup:


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TAS is irrelevant unless you're comparing glass to glass which has been discussed here before. The steam gauges are all optimistic as can be seen in this pic I saw on Controller a while back. There is an 8-9 knot differential between the factory gauge and the G500 TAS. Everyone "looses" at least 5 knots by going to glass which are accurate.
I suspect the real top TAS for most 58 barons is about 195 kts.

I do have glass (Aspen 2000), but I calibrated my airspeed doing the 3 orthogonal leg GPS trick.

I fly WOTLOPSOP, and I can get 195-200 KTAS @ 6-10,000 ft at max LOP power.
If lighter than Gross, say 5000#, I can get 200-205 KTAS at max LOP power.
And yes, averaging over several minutes, so that any areas of updrafts and downdrafts get averaged out. Sure, I have seen 210-215 KTAS while transiting updrafts, but I pay for those with a 180-185 on the other side....


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Remove the limitations imposed by your altitude limit and enjoy 240KTAS in a P Baron. You will not, however, experience this at economy cruise.

DL - I knew you 'P' guys would start to chime in :D , thats why I asked about below 12,500!


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