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 Post subject: Re: Garmin G5 as a backup Attitude Indicator
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So I’m scratching my head over how many Pages of Garmin guys wanting Garmin backups there is.

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Especially when Garmin says it's not approved for back-up and they do not recommend doing it.


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 Post subject: Re: Garmin G5 as a backup Attitude Indicator
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So I’m scratching my head over how many Pages of Garmin guys wanting Garmin backups there is.

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Especially when Garmin says it's not approved for back-up and they do not recommend doing it.

Its mainly because they dont want to go back and update the g500 STC.

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 Post subject: Re: Garmin G5 as a backup Attitude Indicator
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Especially when Garmin says it's not approved for back-up and they do not recommend doing it.

Its mainly because they dont want to go back and update the g500 STC.


Not according to Garmin.

In Trek Lawler's response to a question back on May 21, 2017 on Beechtalk, he said "as for the G5 as a backup to the EFIS systems, I won't get into the nuts and bolts of it. but the basics are that the G5 is not approved through all of the required HIRF testing, which is basically its RF and lightning strike protection."

It's not a backup. It was never intended to be a backup. But everyone, except the company that designed, tested and manufactured it, wants it to be a backup.

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 Post subject: Re: Garmin G5 as a backup Attitude Indicator
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Not according to Garmin.

In Trek Lawler's response to a question back on May 21, 2017 on Beechtalk, he said "as for the G5 as a backup to the EFIS systems, I won't get into the nuts and bolts of it. but the basics are that the G5 is not approved through all of the required HIRF testing, which is basically its RF and lightning strike protection."


Thanks Lance,
yes, this is still correct and why the G5 is not approved as a backup for any EFIS system

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 Post subject: Re: Garmin G5 as a backup Attitude Indicator
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It's not a backup. It was never intended to be a backup. But everyone, except the company that designed, tested and manufactured it, wants it to be a backup.

Hello Lance,

We understand what you are saying, and while it is true that the G5 is not certified for installation as a backup instrument in certified aircraft, our team designed the G5, and I can assure you that from initial inception, the G5 was planned and designed to be the very best backup instrument possible for experimental aircraft. Many of the best equipped, and highest performing aircraft in the world are using 1 to 4 display G3X Touch systems with a highly independent and dissimilar G5 backup instrument including large piston, turboprop, and jet aircraft.

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Not yet certified......So can we assume that it will be at some point?

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Not yet certified......So can we assume that it will be at some point?


When you stop and think about it, they really have to certify it for backup purposes. They designed the GFC-500 autopilot to work with it. If it can't be used as a backup AI, then that will limit the ability to install that system in any airplane that already has an EFIS installed.

Think about the number of single tube Aspens out there. None of them can install a GFC-500 right now, even if certified in their airplane.

If for no other reason, this is why it has to be certified as a backup at some point.


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Not according to Garmin.

In Trek Lawler's response to a question back on May 21, 2017 on Beechtalk, he said "as for the G5 as a backup to the EFIS systems, I won't get into the nuts and bolts of it. but the basics are that the G5 is not approved through all of the required HIRF testing, which is basically its RF and lightning strike protection."


Thanks Lance,
yes, this is still correct and why the G5 is not approved as a backup for any EFIS system

I think you should add, by Garmin. Because it's going in as backup all over the place as a minor deviation from the g500 STC. Or others are installing it as primary and then adding a g500 or something else afterwards. Come-on garmin, can be primary but not backup, give me a break. Do the work to finish the paperwork, I just bought one of you golf gps so I know you have the resources.

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I think you should add, by Garmin. Because it's going in as backup all over the place as a minor deviation from the g500 STC. Or others are installing it as primary and then adding a g500 or something else afterwards. Come-on garmin, can be primary but not backup, give me a break. Do the work to finish the paperwork, I just bought one of you golf gps so I know you have the resources.


Just because other people are going against the recommendation of the company that designed and tested it and has a financial interest in selling it doesn't make it a good idea to me.

If the same thing that could potentially take out the EFIS takes out the G5 then it's really not a backup, is it? There are other recommended backups available (L3 ESI-500 (http://www.l3aviationproducts.com/products/esi-500/), Midcontinent Lifesaver with a 7500 hour MTBF (http://www.lifesavergyro.com/) to name a couple.)

If Garmin thought it was a good idea they would be first in line to sell it to anyone willing. They are saying it's not a good idea. at least at this point. I am willing to listen to a company that would make a profit on it that knows the unit better than anyone else, that is telling me not to go ahead with it. However, everyone gets to make their own decisions.


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They just said it was a good idea for experimentals. This has more to do with the FAA than Garmin.

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They just said it was a good idea for experimentals. This has more to do with the FAA than Garmin.


Or the limited liability that homebuilts present to Garmin’s lawyers!

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They just said it was a good idea for experimentals. This has more to do with the FAA than Garmin.


Or the limited liability that homebuilts present to Garmin’s lawyers!

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Experimentals only fly on cloudless days and never near radio transmitters.

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They just said it was a good idea for experimentals. This has more to do with the FAA than Garmin.


Look, we'll never know for certain, but the EAA got the approval for the D10a as a backup, so I have always doubted the common wisdom around here that claimed the FAA prohibited it.

From my point of view, I am beginning to believe that Garmin did not ask for it to be installed as a backup. Again, I have no proof of that.

I've attached the FAQ question from the EAA website that covers backups.


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They just said it was a good idea for experimentals. This has more to do with the FAA than Garmin.


Look, we'll never know for certain, but the EAA got the approval for the D10a as a backup, so I have always doubted the common wisdom around here that claimed the FAA prohibited it.

From my point of view, I am beginning to believe that Garmin did not ask for it to be installed as a backup. Again, I have no proof of that.

I've attached the FAQ question from the EAA website that covers backups.


That's not really what that says. There are very specific requirements for a backup for a glass panel install (Aspen/G500). I don't the EAA is saying that the D10A is meets those requirements.
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The Aspen is certified for backup, can it be the “backup” for your primary G5? (Mounted off to the lower left or right)

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